Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:11)MikeNobody wants to drink your muddy water.Keith, the water I spoke of was scripture. And you are correct that you, for one, do not want to drink.

By the way, good diversion…..it almost worked. I'm still waiting for a DIRECT answer to my DIRECT question.I don't remember you ever showing a scripture that explained that “yalad”, “monogenes” and “gennao” were only metaphorical when applied to Jesus. There isn't one……so what scriptures are you claiming support your theory? Heb 1?…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:09)Oh thats right John 1:1 doesnt have “Monogenes” but strangely enough John calls Jesus the “Monogenes” Son of God after he came in the flesh.Actually, John calls him the only begotten god.It is Jesus who later tells Nicodemus that God SENT His only begotten Son INTO THE WORLD.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:09)What scripture do you have that says Jesus was literrally born from the Father by procreation?How about the one that says you are my Son, I have begotten you?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:00)MikeAll I know is what the scritpures say Mike. But you have chosen ambiguous language from Forefathers who had disagreements among themselves.Jack is right, you have to run to the Forefathers for support (Though there is very little there for you) to back up your theorys rather than sticking to…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,00:35)NASB doesn't even have Alpha and Omega in 1:11Thanks for looking.Back to the topic look at:Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, “the Beginning of the creation of God”, says this: Again, Jesus is being labeled as the BEGINNING, God calls him His only…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,11:00)Hi Mike,I would like to point out that when Paul calls Isaac the only begotten of Abraham he is talking about the only begotten that the promise was given about.Another thing I wanted to say is about this word monogenes. This word is made up of two words as you know. Also, the mono part is an adjective and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,08:33)You say that the Son of God was not originally eternal, but you say he pre-existed and is returning to the glory that he had with the Father by the statement that he made relative to the “Son of man ascending where he was before”.That is correct Marty.Romans 6:9 NIVFor we know that since Christ was raised from…[Read more]

Hi Marty,When asked about your belief that Jesus was begotten of God when he was born of Mary, you said:Quote Yes, that is what I believe, but how do you then teach that Jesus pre-existed this event?I personally believe the scriptures speak of three begettings of Jesus.  One before time as we know it, one as a human, and one as a “re-begetting”…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,19:33)18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.Hi Jack,You and I agree that the “seen” in  John 1:18 means “understood”.  It is like me saying, “See what I mean?”It really means “Do you understand what I mean?”This is one of the instances where I agree wit…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,16:52)Hi Mike,Prob.9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.Neither the Hebrew language nor the Greek language have indefinite articles.Also know: Neither the Hebrew Masoretic Texts nor the Greek language have a word for “OF”!Hi Ed,Yes sir, I am…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,14:36)Also, Mike, you rightly indicate that the Son was not orginially eternal, but the Word of God is eternal, and so in his preexistent state was he a Son or an angel or something else.  What say you, Mike?  And he is returning to his former glory?Love in Christ,MartyJesus is eternal now. He is still “the Word of G…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,14:15)Hi Mike:Finally, I believe that you have it. Very good Mike. We're making progress. Good logic. It lines up with the scriptures.A begotten Son not a begotten god.Love in Christ,MartyThanks for the encouragement Marty. But apparently in the case of Jesus, a begotten Son IS a begotten god. At least that's…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,14:11)If every time someone post something they have to PROVE IT TO YOU – you not worth it Mike.What do you mean “Show me the Scripture, Philip”, have you been studying for so long and yet do not know them?Thomas, Happy are those who have NOT SEEN and yet Believe!I'm glad you think I'm not worth it.  Maybe you'll…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2010,14:11)That in paranthesis indicates that this is speaking of “the glory as of the “only begotten of the Father” when the Word was made flesh, that is this is looking a him as begotten as man, and not as someone begotten of God prior to being born into this world from the womb of the virgin Mary.Hi Marty,I take it you…[Read more]

R-10I have already proven what I set out to prove.  1.  The plural of majesty was used in scripture, and “elohim” is one of the many examples of it.  The plural “elohim” was also used for the singular gods Molech and Dagon, so Jack has no leg to stand on when he asserts without scriptural support that “it allows for a plural Jehovah”.  It is onl…[Read more]

When did you ever come up with the idea that I think Jesus is God all of a sudden?mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,11:24)The usus loquendi has to do with the way a word was commonly used as opposed to its literal meaning.Face it Mike. The fact that the LXX uses “monogenes” as the equivalent of the Hebrew “yachid” (only) means that your conclusions will forever be inconclusive. So it doesn't matter which text you endorse of…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,11:23)You gonna ask me for Scriptural proof for basic tenets.Yep, sure am.You keep claiming it, but you haven't produced a scripture that says it. If there is one, I would sure like to read it.Thanks in advance for the scripture.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,13:04)You got your head to much up Eusebius. Pull it out and read the scriptures instead.everything you need to know is in there. then you won't need to ask base questions about Scripture.I haven't even opened my bible for three days now yet everythng I need to know is right here with me – no concordance, no…[Read more]