Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,10:55)Hi Mike:If Jesus was begotten prior to his birth from the virgin Mary, please show me by the scriptures that it is so, and please tell me how he is begotten, from Himself or from whom?  How, Mike, how? I can't seem to get my mind to wrap around that at all.Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty, I've BEEN showing them to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,02:52)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:11)Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5YET ANOTHER CONCESSION FROM MIKE! the RooTo AllThe above quote was my…[Read more]

Hi Keith,My you sure have a lot of time to post here…….yet you seem unable to find time to post in our “one point at at time” debate, where btw we are debating this same issue.I wonder why….   Could it be that you prefer it over here where you can twist my thoughts around and make it seem like I'm flip-flopping?  Come back to the debate K…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,10:07)Hi Mike:I already answered this: It means that he was foreordained not that he preexisted.Love in Christ,MartyOkay Marty, I went back and now see where you said that already…….sorry my good man. What does “origin” mean? If Jesus was JUST a thought in God's mind……then that thought has been there as…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 20 2010,09:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2010,09:23)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,08:51)Hi Mike:No, it does not matter what I think if it is merely an opinion of mine which cannot be supported by scripture.Jesus' pre-existence is supported by many scriptures Marty.   Matthew said Micah 5:2 was a prophecy about Jesus.  How is t…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,08:43)The bible does not say Christ is The Firstborn of creation.It says he is the firstborn over creation.So on this scripture, you want to veer away from your precious KJV? The Greek word “pas” means “all”. And the fact that it is the genetive form in Col 1:15 means you add an “of” in front of it.mike

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,19:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2010,15:01)Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,08:37)The KJV is a literal translation of the original greek/hebrew text.All the others, are translations FROM the KJV, reworded for a better read.Hi RM,You have been misinformed my friend.  That is not even close to true.  Almost EVERY s…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 19 2010,15:36)The Almighty I get, but comparing Him with others or giving Him a beginning or end won't cut it in my book.Even the He who is, who was and who is to come goes along with God EXISTS concept, and is separate from the Holy Spirit and Jesus.Hi David,Could you please exchange your word for “anger”. The P-O word…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 20 2010,09:00)Marty, and Terrarica,I agree.With what in particular that they said do you agree…….and why?  Is it a scriptural reason or just a “feeling” that they are right?Btw, welcome back.mike

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,08:51)Hi Mike:No, it does not matter what I think if it is merely an opinion of mine which cannot be supported by scripture.Jesus' pre-existence is supported by many scriptures Marty. Matthew said Micah 5:2 was a prophecy about Jesus. How is that not a scripture about the origins of Jesus being from “ancient…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,19:02)Mike……….Go back and reread this and this time Keep in Mind that it is talking about GOD the FATHER, Not Jesus. All thing were created by God the Father and For GOD the FATHER and Through GOD  the Father.Hi Gene,I have a better idea.  Why don't we reread it together?15He is the image of the i…[Read more]

And once again (big surprise), you don't actually answer to the point Jack.You assert “monogenes” didn't mean “only begotten”.  They counter you assertion.  You assert Jesus was “appointed” God's Son after he was raised.  They counter your assertion.Kathi and I have never used the fathers OVER scripture itself.  You just won't accept what scr…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2010,14:55)Hi Mike,You are trying to build doctrine on the added 'indefinite article',added by the those who made the N.W.T.(JW's version) Bible.This is the point that I HAVE MADE, you do not seem to like!Actually Ed,I don't know where you got the idea I “didn't like” it.  I didn't even know what you were on about…..that's…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 19 2010,08:37)The KJV is a literal translation of the original greek/hebrew text.All the others, are translations FROM the KJV, reworded for a better read.Hi RM,You have been misinformed my friend. That is not even close to true. Almost EVERY single translation out there is translated from the Hebrew and Greek mss.And the…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,09:38)Alpha and Omega could apply to him along with “first and last” and “beginning and end”.What do people gain by belittling God and give him these “titles”? All three of these “titles” deal with “time” which God is beyond. God exists and is not bound by our limitations of time. God has no beginning.God is the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,11:54)Hi Mike:You say:Quote I personally believe the scriptures speak of three begettings of Jesus. One before time as we know it, one as a human, and one as a “re-begetting” after he died. It doesn't matter what you personally believe. What do the scriptures say? He was begotten by the Holy Ghost in the womb of…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,03:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,20:29)I think Jack and Keith have led people to think “procreate” means to have intercourse with someone of the other sex.  It actually just means:Procreate–verb (used with object) 1. to beget or generate (offspring). 2. to produce; bring into being.Mike When it comes to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:54)MikeJA was hoping that he didn't have to do your homework for you. So I thought I would give him a hand.ASVWhosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is “begotten (gennaō)” of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 John 5:1WJ,Didn't we just go through this?…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:16)MikeI figured you would side with the man who caves into pressure.The point is not were those phrases in scriptures, but the point is the ForeFathers understanding of Jesus being begotten is not by procreation from the Father by having a beginning as some sort of demi-god like you and Kathi claim.Keith,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 19 2010,02:11)Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5YET ANOTHER CONCESSION FROM MIKE! the RooJack, it is clear to see from the quote box that it was WJ who made that…[Read more]