Quote (martian @ Aug. 22 2010,05:02)OK – Dad send me the money I had with you from long ago.SAme thing.I had it reserved for me.Martian,Your scenario doesn't make any sense at all. For one, you insist that Jesus couldn't have any knowledge that you don't have or he wouldn't be exactly like us.So how did Jesus KNOW about this money his dad was…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2010,04:34)Hi Martian,It doesn't say: 'the glory you had for me'?The Bible does say: “the glory which I had”!Exactly Ed.They must take the words as they're written and stop adding their mystical abstract meanings about what it could have meant.If it meant Jesus would recieve glory that he never had but God had waiting for…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2010,02:47)If what you and the rest of the Preexistences and Trinitarians are saying is true then Back it up with the OLD TESTAMENT and I will consider it > But if it is in contradiction of the Old Testament forget it. IMOHi Gene,How about Genesis 1:26?  “Let US MAKE man in OUR image”.Is that Old Testament enough…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 21 2010,03:13)You can not alien up the fact that GOD said HE (ALONE) and BY HIMSELF Created everything and then insert the JESUS did IT.Gene,You are like a one trick pony. You keep saying the same thing over and over. And I'm getting tired of you claiming the “for” thing while ignoring Col 1:16 which says both…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 22 2010,05:28)Mike,Did you ever answer that question? Third time of asking?And once again, since you don't list quotes or scriptures, I have no idea what question you're talking about. Just like when you make claims that angels “produced” men's bodies, you list no scripture to back your claim, so why would anyone take you…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 22 2010,05:26)Scriptures does not state Jesus' name before he came to eath and it matters not. There is nothing relevant about it, lest we come to worship Jesus for it and SIN.Therefore, I say, preJesus. “Which is easier to say”,'preJesus', or 'He who became known as Jesus through birth as man from Mary who was overshadowed…[Read more]

JA:Quote Do you mean that all this time, these days, over this period, you simply meant that 'Begotten' means when 'Jesus' came into being?I don't know where you had any other idea from me.  Jesus was begotten by God as his beginning, that's all.  When he is called “the only begotten Son of God”, it is because he was literally begotten by God.  …[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 21 2010,09:58)Come on man. As far as the debate I have already decided I am not going to keep chasing your rabbit trails and making the same points over and over again only for you to complain.Yeah Keith,You, Jack, Dennison and JA have all said that about my posts.  You can put whatever spin you want on it, but the…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote Did I not suggest that if you simply believe that 'Begotten' (preJesus) was the time when 'preJesus' came into existence, then all is well. I think this is what you are saying, yes?.Yes that is what I'm saying.  And you seem to always point out “pre” Jesus……why?  While scripture doesn't say that was God's Son's name b…[Read more]

Hi Keith,You said:Quote Regardless of what he previously did, if you didn't give him a mark then you should not give him one now.Maybe I'll try misrepresenting what YOU said and see if you're as forgiving.  What about his refusal to fix what I let him know he broke?You said:Quote Personally I think a Moderator should not be so active in the post…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,14:27)Hi Mike:When was this spoken to Jesus?Quote Hebrews 1:4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,14:23)Stop evading the issue, if you say that he was begotten prior to his birth into this world, then show me where this happened in the scriptures.Love in Christ,MartyI have been doing just that Marty.  He was in the form of God before he came in the flesh.  The universe was created though him.  He was from “the re…[Read more]

Matt 5:6pray to your Father,Matt 5:8for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.Matt 5:9-139″This, then, is how you should pray:   ” 'Our Father in heaven,   hallowed be your name, 10your kingdom come,   your will be done      on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us today our daily bread. 12Forgive us our debts,      as we also…[Read more]

Okay Marty,Then THROUGH WHOM did God make the universe as stated in Heb 1:2?mike

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2010,13:42)No, Mike, You are posting scriptures which you say may indicate that Jesus pre-existed his birth from the virgin Mary.I am asking you to show me how he is begotten prior to his birth.  Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary.  I can understand that, but how and from whom is he b…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 20 2010,13:36)Hi Mike,John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.This one is weak for the case of preexistence, as It couldmerely mean what he'd seen in the 40 days in the desert. God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)Hi Ed,Good point. I thought of that the minute after I…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 20 2010,13:28)hi Mikeif this is not enough then they just do not want to believe.pierreHi Pierre,I hear you loud and clear, but I have many more to come. Hebrews 1:2, Micah 5:2, John 8:23 and many more.They can't use made up abstract alternate meanings for all of them, can they?I guess we'll see.peace and love,mike

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,09:45)Hi Mike:You say:Quote Marty, The Word of God means that Jesus was God's spokesman. He spoke God's words. If Jesus simply existed in the heart of God, then how did he have a memory of his glory IN GOD'S PRESENCE before the world? Please give me the scripture to which you are referring regarding the foregoing…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 20 2010,02:24)Mike………Out of 536 times the word EV or En is used in scripture not ONCE does KJC say it is used for (BY).  If you want the breakdown i can give it to you brother. So a word that is not in the original text is planted there and we are to believe it?Hi Gene,Not according to my source.  Blue Letter B…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2010,16:18)Mike……….One problem you haven't started from the start of the text , but jumped in mid way and yes by doing that it does appear as if He is talking about Jesus, But you see that is the old trick to force text to meet a persons perceptions.That's a good idea Gene.  Except let's do it without your…[Read more]