Quote (martian @ Aug. 31 2010,01:09)OH boy —- Mike is back to teach us.   EVERY ONE BACK IN THE MONKEY CAGES AGAIN SO WE CAN BE TAUGHT BY MIKE.       LOLHa Ha!  They just keep getting funnier Martian.I didn't have any glory in God's presence before the founding of the world, Martian.  Do you know why?  Because I didn't exist as a person then.…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,02:08)Mike has a good understanding and He also has nerves of steel.  I hate it when they make it personal.  He has been called all kinds of names, and keeps on posting… My hat of to Mike…..Peace IreneHi Irene,It is because of your constantly ignored posts in the “pre-existence” thread that I even started breaking i…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,02:22)Mike you are so right, I read this and shake my head. When they can't answer they attack you….. Not to smart…..Keep up the good work, I am with you…..Peace IreneThank you Irene! Ditto to you. mike

Quote (martian @ Aug. 31 2010,01:11)HERE HE COMES TO SAVE THE DAY — THAT MEANS THAT MONKEY TIME IS ON THE WAY……Good one Martian…….I'm laughing on the inside.   Would you care to actually deal with the words that are in the scripture?  It says:Who BEGINNING in the form of God…….EMPTIED HIMSELF…..and was BEGOTTEN in the likeness of a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 31 2010,03:50)I see them as One God, One Spirit, not as 2 Gods who share a spirit which is your view.”‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6 “Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8 “I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me t…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 30 2010,19:20)Even the Cheribums in front of his throne hides there faces and what not in the presence of God.Hi Dennison,Where did you learn that?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2010,16:55)Hi Mike,Justin Martyr isn't going to jump the hurdle either:”Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who also was born for this purpose, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judæa, in the times of Tiberius Cæsar; and that we reasonably worship Him, having learned that He is the Son of t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2010,04:46)DBFno ,I am from dutch emigrant in Europe i do speak french,and do my best in English.at 70 years old many things do not work as good as they use to be.Pierre

Thanks Gene and Kathi,I was wondering myself.mike

Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2010,10:33)I'm not sure others notice how when the scriptures speak of Jesus being the first, they connect his death to this.Hi David,You are not alone.  Not only have I noticed this, but I have also already explained this to both SF and the Professor.When Jesus is called the first and the last, it is in referrence to…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 25 2010,11:10)My understandinmg is that God is a title and many in Ancient times were called God. That takes nothing away from the Almighty Jehovah God…. I still don't understand though that Jesus is called the Almighty.Hi Irene,Your understanding is scripturally correct. Jesus is NEVER called the Almighty in any…[Read more]

Hey Gene,Did you ever figure out how the last part of 16, which says, “all things were created by him, and for him”, could really mean “for him and for him”?  This is the whole reason I posted this Colossians passage before a couple of others that I really wanted to post first.  I want you to see that things were created “by” or “through” Jesus.  …[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Yes, while scripture doesn't say “unbegotten Leader”, it does make it clear that Jehovah had no beginning and will have no end.And Jesus is definitely called “the only begotten 'leader'”, so you are right.And we also know that Satan is a created “leader”. Many leaders, but only one LEADER.And while we are taught to follow both the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,15:30)You think you have scriptural proof, Mike thought he do also but when a (TRUE) INVESTIGATION was put forth he simply lost his case,  as you would to. IMOGene,You haven't actually refuted ANY of the pre-existence scriptures I've posted so far.  You just go thread to thread posting your wishes and d…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2010,15:36)you can't eve prove what beginning Paul was talking about was it His beginning on Earth,Hi Gene,Why don't you just keep the opinions and slams to yourself, okay? All they do is show that you can't answer with scripture, so you must try to attack or belittle me personally, like Martian does. It really…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2010,15:43)Mike………..Yes He came into existence in the flesh. Not that he came from some distant planet or somewhere else.First Gene, I don't believe it says, “came INTO EXISTENCE in the flesh”, does it? Don't add words.Second, don't try to divert with talk of Gnostics and trinitarians. We are dealing with…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,05:48)And you left out the context.Have this attitude in you that was in Jesus Christ. Is “the form of God” or as you say “God” an attitude?Martian,The passage is about having the same attitude as Christ, who wasn't afraid to leave his cushy postition at the right hand of God to suffer as a human being and be killed…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 29 2010,03:54)I find it interesting that Mike uses the term “imply” in his opening for this and other threads. In many references the word means the following –implied – Suggested without being stated directly
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/impliedHi Martian,I openly challenge you to find one single scripture in which we don't have t…[Read more]

I took a little break for a while…………did anyone ever answer the simple question of why God cannot procreate a child unto Himself?  Have we decided that procreating is the one impossible thing for the God for Whom “ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE”?Has anyone yet shown a reason that the Hebrew and Greek words that actually do mean a literal…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2010,15:20)John said plainly if we say Jesus came not in the flesh it would mean you were Antichrist in fact he repeated it three times (translators) removed and replace it with something else.Just look at what you wrote Gene.  Jesus CAME in the flesh.  John didn't say Jesus had his BEGINNING in the flesh.  HE CAME IN…[Read more]