Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,02:53)Paul was not talking about a (PRE earth) existence of Jesus but HIS (Earthly) existences , Jesus had while on earth the (NATURE) of GOD , he was filled with the HOLY Spirit of GOD He recieve at the Jordan river, He had it without measure we are told.Very good Gene…….now all you have to do is explain…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 07 2010,11:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,00:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2010,10:34)Hi Mike,Do you honor the Son as one who has everything the Father has?I wasn't aware he did.  mikeMike,John 16:15  “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.All m…[Read more]

“Not necessarily” and “maybe it's figurative” is what Gene and barley and the rest have come up with since the start of these “pre-existent scripture” threads:Gene:Quote MIke……….Again Origin does not necessarily mean a PreexistenceOkay Gene   His origins are from ancient times, but his “origin” was really just his beginning as a thought in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,02:21)MIke……….Your leaving off AGAIN (BY MYSELF). Why is that Mike? Is it because it eliminates anyone else being there with him.Gene,Doesn't the word “alone” already mean “by myself”?  Doesn't “by myself” already mean “alone”?Just out of curiosity Gene, how do you balance the “alone” and “by myself” with…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,13:26)Hello Mike,Mike, you may have misssed many of my answers so I will try to respond, point for point.I agree that Elohim is the plural form of “God” and Gen 1:27 expounds on WHY it is a plural form:  God is Male and Female WITHIN Elohim….and that is why Elohim is referred to as “ONE”.Hi David,Yes…..I like…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 07 2010,09:16)Until you obtain those, II Corinthians 4:4, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”barleyHi barley,Won't you come join Gene and I in the Phil 2 thread? We're getting down to…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 06 2010,10:32)Jesus is not the Same as Elohim. Jesus is God Revealed, That means everything we want and need to know about God, is in Jesus.SF:Quote Jesus is not the Same as Elohim.Very good young man. Elohim is God. You are correct in saying the Jesus is not Him.SF:Quote Jesus is God Revealed,No, Jesus revealed…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2010,12:01)Jesus by mention that was just asking How could he be a linage son of David and HOW could this be was the question , it had nothing to do with His preexistence State as a Being.I'm not sure what you're saying Gene, but Matt 22 was Jesus explaining that he was before David. Just like he told them he was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2010,10:34)Hi Mike,Do you honor the Son as one who has everything the Father has?I wasn't aware he did. mike

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2010,08:46)Hi Mike,I found The Bible verse you use in the bottom at your (signature of) every Post…Job 41:11: Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him?  whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI LOVE that verse Ed.  For some reason, I like it when God i…[Read more]

Hi Keith and All,Keith has decided not to answer my post.  The point was to address the “word games” that Keith likes to play.  It is nothing but a word game for Keith to say things like this:Quote for instance you are the son of a human but are you not also human? And now that I've solidly debunked his statement….and reasoning, he has n…[Read more]

Hi Keith, I didn't hear you……Question: Is that clear enough for you Keith?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2010,07:46)What is clear to me is that ya'll don't give the Son the same honor as you do the Father.For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, 40  so also the Son gives life to whomever he wishes. 41  5:22 Furthermore, the Father does not judge 42  anyone, but has assigned 43  all judgment to the Son…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 06 2010,07:11)There is only one Scripture that I know of were He is called the Almighty one and that is in Rev.Hi Irene,There is no scripture where Jesus is called “Almighty”. None at all.mike

Hi David,I can only speak for myself, but I think most of us here agree this is a “crack-pot” notion of yours and doesn't merit any serious “study time”.  I and others have clearly pointed out some errors in your theory, yet I haven't actually seen you defend it in light of those posts.  Can you address these points:1.  Elohim means God.  A…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2010,03:05)Mike, Irene, David, the rest…….What you don't realize is those things you are mentioning about people forming false teaching had started way back two thousand years ago ,Gene, I don't thing there is a “the rest”.  Most here have given up on answering your nonsense and have suggested that I do the…[Read more]

Gene:Quote Mike……….I have already answered that question, but i will again in case you did not read it. (NO) God did (NOT) create me “through” any thing, he created me (IN)  my mothers womb, The Life in my cells was a direct act of GOD , they divided and grow by his life force in them.I guess I didn't read it Gene…..could you show me…[Read more]

Kathi,You have recently been posting the words of a lot of early church fathers.  But lately, you have moved into posting church fathers who are clearly trinitarian……and you are using their referrences about the worship of Jesus as if it means something.  Big deal….we KNOW that trinitarians worship Jesus.  In fact, “Worshipping Jesus” is Ke…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 06 2010,05:41)Mike-These are YOUR words:”And “worship” IS due him as THE SON OF GOD, not AS GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. ”  Hi Kathi,Worship is due Jesus in the same way worship was due King David.  NOT the same way worship is due God.Unlike David, however, even angels will partake in the bowing down to Jesus, for he is not just a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2010,04:50)MIke ………So what is exactly the “FORM” of GOD, please describe that to us if you can.I understand “form of God” to mean Jesus was a powerful spirit being.Gene:Quote Also please Look up the word (FORM) My Greek linear as i recall  has (NATURE) which seems to fit the text better.I don't see the…[Read more]