Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:36)Also, the points in Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 is that there are TWO distinct separate and “individuals” being talked about: Ruwach Elohim and YHWH Elohim. In order to avoid any debates on the English word “spirit” it may be best to change over and leave the individuals transliterated from Hebrew to English only,…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:16)ME: the word “Spirit” in Hebrew in this sentence is “ruwach”. Following this to Strong's Lexicon the number is H7307 and spirit is a feminine noun.“Ruwach” also means “breath”. Is every “breath” that a Hebrew MAN takes in HIS entire life a “feminine” breath?Can a “breath” even have a sex? I brought up…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:09)Man (humankind) is male and female, in the image of Elohim, no?Hi David,What did God create in His image? Human beings. He chose for some of these human beings to be male, and others female. This is the way God chose for us to be in order to procreate offspring.You are lumping male and female together to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,06:08)BTW as far as word games it is you that plays that game by claiming there is only “One True Theos” yet there are “Other True Theos”, and Jesus is a “True theos” but not YOUR THEOS!And THIS is EXACTLY why I put these in the debates.  The point you comment about on THIS thread is the one that you said…[Read more]

Okay Gene and Martian,I guess the scriptures have won this debate and the truth prevails……Thanks and Glory be the the Only True God, Jehovah, and His Son, through whom he created the universe.You guys cannot (and will not even try) to answer how if Jesus was already a human being while being considered “in the form/nature of God” he could then…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,05:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39)Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45)Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ?Hi Shimmer,Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son.mikeDoes beget always mean procreate?I didn't think so!WJSure it does…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,19:55)Um, Mike,64.29% say no, God does not procreate,35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !)I really don't know.Hi Shimmer,I think when people see the word “procreate”, they imagine a male and a female having sexual intercourse to produce an offspring.  I think that's why some people here…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,13:17)Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”…1. God's throne2. God's dominion3. God's principality4. God's power5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?I can see the flaw in yours.  None of those things you list are created things first of all.  And I NEVER s…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 08 2010,02:06)I never said Jesus did not have knowledge that we do not have. I said he could not have knowledge not available to us.  Big difference.It's not a difference at all.  All of Jesus' knowledge came from God in one way or another, right?Whether Jesus existed in heaven and saw things first hand or God just “popped” t…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 08 2010,02:06)Phil 2? I will not debate on the subject of scripture since you refuse to agree to any honest principles for interpretation. Are at the very least hide in a dark corner with the way you come to conclusions and say it is none of my business. There is no fruit in that. Just as their is no fruit in your…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,23:33)Mike…………God was revealing it to Him while he was on earth,Revealing WHAT exactly, Gene? Knowledge? But Martian says it would be “unfair” to us if Jesus knew more than we did.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 08 2010,17:31)Where does it say he is one being other than God? He always says he is ONE with God, and he never seperated him self from God.Hi Dennison,Well, first we can start with that “logic” you were just talking about. Jesus is God's SON. Do you know of any sons that are a part of the same being as their father?…[Read more]

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Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,22:37)Hi Ed,Jesus only used the name…Heavenly Father or Father, what name did He make manifest ? (and Hallowed be thy name) ?Hi Shimmer,The oldest fragments of the Septuagint found have the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHVH written in the Hebrew letters in the midst of the Greek text in places where Jesus and others quoted…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,22:10)What's Jetuce ? Sounds like Lettace, but then again if I said Jetus and I knew I meant (Jesus of the Bible) then, does it really matter ?God looks at the heart. God knows what we mean !Hi Shimmer,It DOESN'T really matter…..you are right. The YHVH thing is just one of Ed's pet peaves. He is just trying to…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,20:33)Also,” Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.” see….son of man (Jesus) and Holy Spirit…two thing's.Hi Shimmer,Yes…..two things, but only one of those things was ever called the ONLY begotten Son of God.…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 09 2010,03:09)Also, you continue to misapply YHWH Elohim and Spirit Elohim as they are written in Hebrew.  But, I do appreciate your efforts Mike.  But, whatever way you treat YHWH Elohim give Spirit Elohim the same application, ok?Okay Big Wave Dave, As long as you give that same application to every instance in the H…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 09 2010,03:09)President (God) Obama (YHWH) is the order here.  In the Bible the order is YHWH Elohim and is joined as ONE entity.  YOU are chosing to separate President Obama into two aspects of title/name whereas YHWH Elohim is either a complete title or a complete name.No, it's exactly like “President Obama”……one t…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 09 2010,03:09)Mike,Again, the word “OF” is inserted to conform to our language usage. Ruwach Elohim is how it is in Hebrew in Gen 1:2 and it is YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4.Why do you think the 70 scholars who translated the Hebrew scriptures into Greek for the LXX made the “God” genetive in referrence to the Spirit? Why did…[Read more]