Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 12 2010,13:34)Nor does it say “the Father is greater than I IN EVERY WAY.”But since there was nothing specific mentioned that the Father was greater than him in, I would think the default would be “everything”.mike

Quote (barley @ Sep. 11 2010,12:22)Ok, since I already did in my previous post I presume it is your turn to tell me why you believe John 17:2-6 is entirely literal and what it is that passage is telling us.Hi barley,No, I'm not angry at all.  A little frustrated at times…….like when I tried to teach my son how to tie his shoes and he just…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2010,12:10)2Pe 1:4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.Oh boy!  Then WE will be able to be worshipped as God too! Kathi, if some of us will be accepted to partake…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2010,10:18)Pierre,The Father is greater in a sense, for one, the Father was the cause of the Son's begettal, but He is not greater in nature.But that's not what the scripture says Kathi. It doesn't say “the Father is greater than I……IN SOME SENSES”.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 11 2010,04:54)the Athanasian Creed was the final nail to close the coffin to the Arians that believed Jesus was not always with the Father.Hi Keith,I am not an Arian, for I believe Jesus is divine – having been directly begotten by his Father and God.  Arius did not believe Jesus was a divine being.  So please d…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 11 2010,02:20)Exactly! But they do not want to believe what that scripture says just like they do not believe these…So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Heb 5:5So when was Jesus made High Priest? It had to be after…[Read more]

Here Gene……let me say it again – just in case you missed it…….again.Jesus is NOT said to be “FROM the ROOTS of David”.  He is said to be THE ROOT of David.Please debate the scripture in question using the actual scriptural words, not your fabrications.Your thoughts about pre-existence in general don't actually answer the question about…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,07:12)Mike,Some time Gene speaks truth and other time not – for this reason I cannot, dare not, be close to him – causing me much chagrin at times when he is posting good stuff ; Hear that Gene?Hi JA,I understand completely what you are saying, but I try not to look at it that way.  It's like you and I.  We have d…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 11 2010,12:57)Mikeboll,If those were the only verses in scripture, I would agree that those verses teach the preexistence of JC.However, please take note that those are not the only verses in scripture.Genesis 3:15God announced his plan for a redeemer, while Adam and Eve were the only two humans.  As God worked with whom He…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 12 2010,02:19)Mike………..The root is describing his start He (Jesus) is from the Roots of David a Jew,Hi Gene,I'll say it again for you:  Jesus is NOT said to be “FROM the ROOTS of David”.  He is said to be THE ROOT of David.Please debate the scripture in question using the actual scriptural words, not your f…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 12 2010,04:08)Since the subject of that prior discussion was our developing the character like Christ your analogy of learning from a monkey was completely wrong then and now.Okay Martian,How about this:  I'm a stupid idiot for ever mentioning a monkey.  Is that okay?  Now can we stop diverting the issue with “monkey talk” an…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 12 2010,03:10)Mike ……….Emptied himself of WHAT?. His being , His Nature, His physical form, His What?  it was THE GLORY ASSOCIATED WITH HIS (acquired)  POSITION  as a Son of GOD he recieved at the Jordan river, IS WHAT HE EMPTIED HIMSELF OF AND TOOK ONE THE SAME ( UN-GLORIFIED)  NATURE THAT A MAN HAS.Gene,You say…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 11 2010,04:12)Mike……..What exactly is the FORM of GOD? Jesus did not exist in the FORM of GOD ,  but in the NATURE of GOD and Paul was not talking about a Pre-earth existence but when he was ON EARTH, HE EXISTED ON EARTH With the  NATURE of GOD, Just like All who have GOD'S Spirit in them Do.Hi Gene,If he “existed O…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 12 2010,01:57)Seems Mike has his buddies at work again. I blasted Mike's interpretation principles and he complained and got me warned.  Poor baby.When we were discussing learning the character of Christ he compared it to three year olds learning to climb trees like monkeys. Those were his original words. Perhaps you should…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,08:23)Watch this movie trailer from the time-line starting at 1:03 to 1:10!

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,16:31)The focus continues to be the Angels in verse 7, then starting in verse 8 the addressing switches once again again back to “the Son” with the focus also switching from the angels to God and his kingdom.so: 'But unto the Son' therefore means the attention is now on the son rather than that of the Angels. I hope you…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 10 2010,01:10)Mike…………Notice what it says…..> the lion of the tribe (of) Judah , (which is) the Root of DAVID. Get it Mike? Jesus is from that Root and also the decedent of David who is also from that ROOT. peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………………..geneHi Gene,1. Is…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 10 2010,02:01)Stop hijacking the thread.Fair enough Martian. I'll accept YOUR defeat graciously.mike

Quote (martian @ Sep. 10 2010,01:59)For Christ to be an exact example that we can follow he must have had to battle through the same difficulties that we do to hear correctly from God.Could you tell me one more time why it is that Christ has to be “an EXACT example” for us to follow him?mike

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 10 2010,02:40)Summary:Gen 1:1 shows Elohim as being “God”.Gen 1:2 shows Ruwach Elohim, as a separate entity distinct from Elohim.Gen 1:1 doesn't “show” Elohim as being “God” David.  “God” is the English word FOR the Hebrew word “Elohim”.  “Elohim” MEANS “God”.  We have ONE God…..His NAME is YHVH.‘What is his name?’ What s…[Read more]