Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2010,02:22)Mike………..That is the difference alright , you preexistence give Jesus a great advantage over us humans , so why then relate with him on any human levelGene, Jesus is my Lord and Savior.  He is my King and the much beloved Son of my God who chose to give him all power and authority to rule in His…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 14 2010,03:27)Do you actually believe GOD was Not (IN) HIM and some how He got rid of the (NATURE) of GOD which he recieved at the Jordan river .I've gotten to the point that I believe I am casting pearls before swine Gene.  You don't actually answer the questions, but instead just keep insulting me and Irene and…[Read more]

Really Gene?  Yet ANOTHER diatribe from you once again explaining your human wishes to keep your doctrine how it is despite the fact that many scriptures are clearly against it?     Not one single direct question that I asked was directly answered.  Not one of my understandings of the scriptures was refuted by you.  Nope……just more of the “you…[Read more]

Look Dennison,  If you want a serious discussion, then let's do it.  But if you are not even going to try to refute my rebuttals, then what's the point?  Please don't waste my time by claiming some things, and then ignoring my scriptural rebuttals of those claims.You said that those of us who believe Jesus was created are the ones who have to pr…[Read more]

SF:Quote like i said, from ancient times? which verse are you refering to again?  remember i told you that its refers to the hebrew “olam”?The verse is Micah 5:2….just like it says where I posted it on page one of this thread sonny.  And one of the words IS “owlam”.  Here's what NETBible says:Micah 5:2 NET As for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, se…[Read more]

SF:Quote Im not sure what your talking about.  God said we shouldnt worship any graven image, or any other God but himself….Deut 4:15-19 NIV15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2010,15:59)Dennison,I like your style…good job!I'll bet she especially likes the part where you would beat me with a baseball bat if you got the chance!

Kathi:Quote Hi Mike,Well congratulations, you have the support for your theory about not worshiping the Father AND the Son from those (maybe 10 or so) who don't believe the Son is divine or uncreated.  That would actually cause me some concern.Didn't I mention that THAT part wasn't really important?  The part that IS important is that I'm s…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 13 2010,17:39)Mike, John understood about as much from his “vision”, as did Daniel. Even though they were given to see what would happen, “faaaar” into the future, they had no clue as to what it all meant; I don't call that an advantage, I call that a privilege.GeorgHey Georg,Martian is dead set on Jesus not having any…[Read more]

SF:Quote Are you Father? are you also a Son? Really Dennison?  Not only is that logic faulty, but actually quite silly.  Yes I am a father to my son…..we are not the same being.  And I am a son to my dad…….we are also not the same being.SF:Quote Genesis 5:1 This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in th…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,14:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2010,07:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2010,11:50)Psalms 89:27 is about David, who is a type of Christ and there are some similarities but nothing exact.I also don't think 89:27 is about Christ, for he is not a King OF the earth.  He didn't come FROM the earth and he is King…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,SF:Quote Do you really agree with Ed J's that the hebrew Amen means that Jesus is “a Men” (lol)  and his divine text of wikipedia that “All Men are created equal” from the Apostle Thomas Jefferson?  Does this even relate to the topic? Im just asking sinced you gave him props. I agree with the scriptures he quoted….I didn't even l…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2010,11:50)Psalms 89:27 is about David, who is a type of Christ and there are some similarities but nothing exact.I also don't think 89:27 is about Christ, for he is not a King OF the earth. He didn't come FROM the earth and he is King over all heaven and earth, so I think this is about David only.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,15:40)Mike,Your words sound like words coming from a guy that isn't finding support for his theory and so makes a judgement towards all that don't support his theory as being full of malarkey instead of the Holy Spirit.Really Kathi?  I have more support here on HN for my “theory” than you'll ever have for yours.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,15:13)Mike,Whether or not the Psalms verse implies what Eusebius implies, we know from the NT that the Son was used by the Father to create for it says in Col 1 that all things were created by Him both in heaven and on earth so this is not a concern.The concern is that God Almighty said He alone created the heavens,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 14 2010,06:32)Shimmer, did you write what you wrote? It was wonderful.I thought the same exact thing.  I started off just “skimming” through it quickly, but then was compelled to start over, reading every word slowly.My first thought was, “The Spirit must be talking to her again!” because she says it comes and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 14 2010,03:34)I see the Word (WORD) in John 1:1, but your see the Word Jesus there and you say (WE) are the ones interpreting scripture the way (WE) want to. Surely you jest.Hi Irene and Gene and All,Hey Gene, let's walk through it together.John 1:1-3 NWTIn beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,14:20), the executor of the Father’s unspoken will, the creator, with the Father,Kathi, this is a sidenote from your link referring to this Eusebius quote:28    Ps. xxxiii. 9. There is really nothing in this passage to imply that the Psalmist thinks, as Eusebius supposes, of the Son as the Father’s agent in creat…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote When I have been saying that the worship of the Son pleases the Father, Chrysostom is saying the same thing in the above excerpt.Are Chrysostom's writings said to be “inspired of God”?  He didn't say it better than you…….we all know that is exactly what you meant all along.  So to both you and Chrysostom I say, “IT ISN'T S…[Read more]

No Gene,It is not the word “ginomai” I am asking you to refute, it is the word “anthropos” – which means “human being”.Try to stay with me buddy.  Let me repost it again:Hi Gene,If he “existed ON EARTH with the nature of God” like you say, then how is it that he “EMPTIED HIMSELF” and “WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING”?The last word in…[Read more]