Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 17 2010,08:57)I see YHWH Elohim as one of the two essences of Elohim with the other Ruwach Elohim.Hi David,Well then you're “seeing” it wrong. YHVH is the NAME OF GOD. Elohim simply means “GOD”. So when it says YHVH Elohim or Elohim YHVH, it just means Jehovah God or God Jehovah.I have showed you the scripture where…[Read more]

Second bump for Ed JQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,14:58)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,08:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,13:38)The focus continues to be the Angels in verse 7, then starting in verse 8 the addressing switches once again again back to “the Son” with the focus also switching from the angels to “God” and his kingdom.so: 'But unt…[Read more]

Keith:Quote You call it a “non-definition” when it doesn’t agree with you. You don’t hear us whining about any definitions of “Strongs” you use to support you. We never accuse you of using a “non-definition” when you use Strongs or any Greek LXX. Really?  How about NETNotes?  Like when Jack complained about them agreeing that Ez 34:24 was a proph…[Read more]

Keith:Quote Sorry Mike, the majority of the credible translations, the Commentators, and the experts in Hebrew and Greek are Trinitarian.So true.  So you acknowledge then that for us who are not trinitarians, and aren't willing to just accept “prototokos pasa ktisis” means “preeminent over mankind” because some trinitarian “scholar” says so, it…[Read more]

I had asked:Quote So is it your contention Keith, that the defintion “of God making Christ his Son” is a real defintion? Can you tell me what those words actually define?Keith:Quote Of course, what does the following scripture mean Mike?For unto which of the angels said he at any time,”THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?”And again, “[Read more]

Keith:Quote This is so hypocritical and such a lame point. You use Strongs and lexicons all the time and now since it doesn't agree with you, you claim bias with Strongs and the Lexicons because they are Trinitarian. This is what NETNotes says about the Holy Spirit:pneuma 1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal…[Read more]

Keith:Quote Please Mike, don’t start accusing me and complaining about what I have or have not responded to! Where did that come from?Keith:Quote Ha Ha. You should listen to those who were studying the scriptures while you were still sucking on the worldly ways of Atheism and walking in darkness.I do.  I listen……and then I check the sc…[Read more]

Gene:Quote Mike…………Notice “HE IS (CALLED) THE WORD OF GOD. Why? because He spoke GODS WORDS to us, NOT because He (IS) the WORD of GOD, but the spokesmen of those wordsYES!  You are exactly right Gene.  Jesus is called the Word of God in Rev because he is God's SPOKESMAN.  Just as he was called “the Word” in one of John's other books fo…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Once again, thank you for directly answering my question.  If you continue to answer, we can continue to discuss. You said:Quote Jesus is called the word of God in Revelation because He Speaks GODS WORDS to US, but that does NOT make HIM The WORDS He spoke to us.I agree completely.  Now if Jesus is called the WORD of God in Revelation, t…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote Mike,If you think that worshiping the Father and the Son is not part of loving the Lord our God with all our heart and mind and strength then by all means, don't do it.  I happen to think that it is. What does worshipping one person have to do with our love for another?  I love Jehovah with all my heart.  I love Jesus with all my he…[Read more]

Hi Dennis the Menace You are fairly correct about what I think.  The Prophets and the Law taught us a little about who God is.  By existing along with his God and being at His right hand for…..who knows how many years?……..Jesus knows his Father and God better than any human being can know Him……for now at least.I don't think I'm getting t…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 16 2010,03:22)YOU have not produced (ONE) Scripture that specifically say JESUS PREEXISTED AS A BEING AT ALL, Not ONE.That is fantastic Gene!   I notice you now have to add the words “as a being”, which means we HAVE produced adequate pre-existence scriptures, AND that you agree with them.  Now you just have to give u…[Read more]

Gene:Quote Mike……….Well you just dealt yourself out of the deck, you can (NEVER) be Like Jesus Where did I say that?Gene:Quote GOD is to weak to truly create us into the (full measure of Christs) right.Where did I say that?Gene:Quote You can't even identify with Jesus as a brother, so how could you ever HOPE to be LIKE HIM.The hope is to…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote I have shown you so much about so many that worshiped the Father and the Son in the NT and the early christians. There is not one scripture that shows anyone worshipping Jesus in the NT.  There is doing obeisance to Jesus, not paying homage to Jesus.  I led you to David, the blind man, and the Aramaic.  If you don't want to learn fr…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 15 2010,17:21)Mike!  I don't know how many times I have asked Gene about The Word of God in Rev. 19:13-16 have not received an answer either….. They just don't know what that means……when you blind your blind…. that is all I can see about the whole debate….. to many Scriptures to deny over and over again….. IreneHi…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Thanks for the actual answer to the point.  Now let's see if that answer makes sense.  You said that:Part 1……Jesus was a human being who was “in the nature of God”.Why then does Part 4 say Jesus “was made in the likeness of a human being”?Gene was born as a human being.  Then he received God's Holy Spirit upon him and “had the na…[Read more]

How about the one we both just made? We apparently agree that knowing Jesus is ALMOST like knowing God.Therefore Jesus is one entity, and God is a different one, right?mike

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 11 2010,05:51)Hi Mike,Elohim is the “one” who is doing the creating in Gen 1:1…which you agreed to initially. Now it seems you are changing your mind because you are changing to another topic “YHWH”.Hi David,Yes, Elohim does the creating in Gen 1:1 and everywhere else in the Bible. David, one simple question for you…[Read more]

bump for Ed JQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,14:58)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,08:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,13:38)The focus continues to be the Angels in verse 7, then starting in verse 8 the addressing switches once again again back to “the Son” with the focus also switching from the angels to “God” and his kingdom.so: 'But unto the Son…[Read more]

Hi Georg,Of course that's what it means.  Gene, I've shown you three times that it doesn't say “RootS”, but “Root”.  I'm done with you.  You don't want to learn, you don't want to teach, you just want to keep spouting your wishes for Jesus to have been exactly like the rest of us.You are a waste of my time Gene.  I thought you might actually hav…[Read more]