When will you answer the scripture in question oatmeal?  barley:Quote As YOU present them, they seem indisputable. Then why don't you CLEARLY present a scripture that changes the word “human being” in Phil 2:7 into something else?  Is there some CLEAR scriptures that imply that “Branch” DOESN'T mean “came after” and “Root” DOESN'T mean “came b…[Read more]

I haven't read what barley wrote yet, but in this instance, the whole context is made clear BY THAT SINGLE LAST WORD.  That last word is “human being”, and it says he was made as one AFTER his was in the form of God and emptied himself.You can throw every other scripture of the NT at that one word and try to explain it away with your OPINION of…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote Also, you exalt the NWT which is biased towards Jesus being a created angel.  You will never see them choose the definition for divine homage/worship for their 'created angel Jesus' since scripture says not to worship the angels.  So, as you have warned me not to put the church father's understanding above scripture, which is good a…[Read more]

Hi JA,It would seem so, but the word “day” is not translated at all.  It is actually written in the original Hebrew.  It is the same word “yowm” that is used in Psalm 2:7 when God says “This DAY I have begotten you”.I think it is used by God and Jesus figuratively in the Psalm meaning “at some point in (or before) time, God begot His Son”.  And I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 18 2010,01:06)Jesus was made in the likeness by his human berth, just as we are, not one bit of differenceSo your wish is for Phil 2:6-7 to say, “Jesus was made in the likeness of a human being. Then he had the nature of God, but emptied himself and took on the nature of a slave.”The problem is that is NOT what it…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 18 2010,01:31)Mike……….Don't kid yourself You Preexistence are the same as Trinitarians ,A statement like that only goes to show your ignorance Gene. I'm no more separated from the love of my Lord whether he pre-existed or not. But the scriptures say he did. Anyway, is that your final answer? Is it your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2010,15:37)MikeThere is no end with you Mike. We give you answers and you insist that we give them over and over again.This is getting old Keith.  Why are there 4 debates we now have going and in each one of them……I'M WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER?And yet you keep yelling “We already answered you!”.  Do I need to p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2010,07:41)The LXX reads…5:2 And thou, Bethleem, house of Ephratha, art few in number to be among the thousands of Juda; out of thee shall one come forth to me, to be a ruler of Israel; “and his goings forth were from the beginning, even from eternity”.You better check again Keith.  Both the Hebrew AND the LX…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2010,07:40)Was Jesus “born gennao” the Son of God by conception of the Holy Spirit or not?If so did he pre-exist his being “born gennao” in the flesh or not?Hi Keith,Jesus was born/begotten 3 times.  Once before all the ages since we know the universe came to be through God's Son.Once “according to the flesh” a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2010,07:39)But I think I will try your method of chopping up someones post by leaving points out and see if that saves time.Good Keith,Then maybe we can really debate at least one point down to the bitter end and get some closure on it instead of going thru the same motions over and over and really getting…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 17 2010,14:55)Only if God exalted it to be a requirement to get to Him through the second tree.  I hope we haven't started a new religion here disclaimer…Mike is making this stuff up, he took a break from the literal.  Consider this a commercial break   Okay Kathi,I guess I got my answer. If God said to ONLY eat of on…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2010,13:56)hi IreneI am glad this is over,Me too   Irene mistakenly applied something you were quoting that Ed said as something you yourself were asserting, Pierre.Pierre, I notice you know how to cut and paste others posts.  Maybe you should use the “quote” button above the place where you're typing your response.  …[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2010,19:40)There is no “HE SAITH” in verse 8; that was added by the translators?Verse 9 clearly indicates Jesus' God is God. Why do you let verse 8 confuse you?Hi Ed,The “he saith” is implied, and you prove that point by admitting it is Jesus who God has anointed with the oil of gladness.”Therefore God (Jesus), YOUR God…[Read more]

Hi Mr. B Fun,What do you make of Isaiah 61:1?  It starts, “Ruwach Adonai YHVH is upon me……”  Do you read that as “Spirit Lord Jehovah is upon me…..”?  Would it help if you knew that in Like 4:18, Jesus read those words from a scroll in a synagogue as, “The Spirit OF the Lord is upon me…….”?I've showed you that man is made in the “d…[Read more]

Hi Martian,You said:Quote You say he is different from birth so he is different then us, How can he be an example if he is different?What does that even mean?  That's the “monkey” point I was trying to make a while back.  A being doesn't have to be exactly like us to be an example…..and I can't for the life of me understand how you ever came t…[Read more]

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I'm not a trinitarian. They teach unscriptural beliefs……just like you non-preexisters.Come on Gene. Don't start bailing on me now. Is that your claim….that Jesus DID pre-exist, but just not as a being?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 17 2010,14:28)Mike,He didn't reveal the second tree when He told us to eat from the first tree only. He wasn't including the second tree with all the other trees since it hadn't been revealed yet.On the contrary, the second tree actually reminded you that it was ONLY the first tree that must be eaten from.Now what's your…[Read more]

Hey Gene,Start a thread if you have scriptures/questions you think I've avoided.  But right now, Martian is crying again because he's not getting his own way in his own thread, so we better stay on topic (which is a silly one anyway).Here's my fruit Martian:John 17:3 NWT3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 17 2010,14:02)Answer: I would recall God's word where it said to honor the second tree as you honor the first tree.Fair enough. But since God didn't say “Eat of the other tree as you eat of the first one”, would you?mike