Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 21 2010,01:08)Mike………Did you notice it say (SHALL BE)  future tense , Shall be called a Son of GOD, Should not that clarify that fact he did (NOT) previously (EXIST) as a SON of GOD, at any time before his berth.  If he already was a Son of GOD in a Past existence it would Not have said He (SHALL BE) Called t…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,21:54)Mikeboll,But mikey, mikey, I want to play your game by your rules.  I want to focus on one portion of scripture and laud it to the skies and ignore everything else.  Since Jesus is the son of David. David preexisted Jesus Christ.  So if Jesus Christ preexisted before he was born and David preexisted Jesus Ch…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 17 2010,20:28)He is your Savouir your Redeemer your very reason why you live or have any chance of having eternal life.This Jesus, is the only way.Then we don't need the Father anymore at all, right?Seriously Dennison, who do you think set it up so we could only come to God through Jesus? And what is the ultimate goal…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote Mike,Isn't the Almighty the God OF all creation? In the group of 'creation' we would have the God of all creation, the Lord of all creation, the men of all creation, the angels of all creation, etc.Really Kathi? Come on now. Jehovah is the Creator of the sinners in this world. Is He also a part of that group? Is He a “sinner of…[Read more]

Kathi, see me in the “Who to worship” thread Nick started.  I'm answering you and SF simultaneously in two threads.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,13:26)There are going to be wolves that are imitating sheep and there are going to be deceptive and uncalled by God, people acting as shepherds…i.e. Jim Jones.We need to have a discerning spirit to know the difference.Hi Kathi, You mention Jim Jones.  He didn't hide his wolve's clothing very well.  Jesus said e…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,13:13)I would suggest that the creator AND the created would be included in the group called 'creation.'Hi Kathi,And the progress comes to a halt again. So you think God Almighty is part of the group of “creation”? He is the One who created the group of “creation”……how can He be a part of that group? If God…[Read more]

Martian:Quote And it does not say Christ was made in the likeness of man, it says he was found in the likeness of men. It is simply saying that he was like other men.Finally!  A bite!  Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is Martian?It says, “and was made in the likeness of a human being”.The word “ginomai” is in the Greek s…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 21 2010,01:55)I will give you and example of What would (clearly spell out what you are saying) Here it is…………..> JESUS EXISTED AS A (BEING )BEFORE HIS BERTH ON EARTH.   I have yet to see that written anywhere in scripture  no matter how much you say it is (INFERRED IS (NOT) WRITTEN ANYWHERE.Hi G…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 22 2010,12:45)HI Ed J, I want to be respectful and not hijack this thread, so let's continue this on the pre-existence thread!! See you there!Hi Jodi,Or maybe you could come to the Phil 2 thread and answer the simple question none that of the other “non-preexisters” have been able to answer.mike

SF:Quote Well Mike you can believe that all you want but thats not what scripture is saying.So once again, your assertion is that God was saying not to worship inanimate objects ONLY, right?  You do NOT think God was saying to not worship anything with a form?  You think that the worship of living things was permitted by God, as long as they d…[Read more]

Sorry Kathi, but Keith brought me into this post.Keith:Quote Just as I thought, no scriptures to back your assumption, but simply conjecture.As opposed to your “facts”?  What do you know about the beginning of time or whether or not God dwells within it or not?Keith:Quote Before time there were no days but only eternity.So explain how “days”…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote The firstborn from Col 1:15 is a part of a group…He is a part of all that was brought into existence, and He is a part of all the sons of God, and even a part of the group 'creation.'  However, that doesn't mean that He came into existence in the same manner and He didn't come into sonship in the same manner.On both of these points,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,15:24)MikeYou may have a point. The word virtue is “dynamis” which means Gods power.Nevertheless Jesus could not have been tainted by sin or that would mean he was not the sinless Lamb of God.Wait a minute here. Are you now saying that Jesus didn't really have the “substance” of God while he was on…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,15:09)How does he cleanse us? With his own blood it still does the cleansing.It is a reality for all believers and it is not figurative.WJKeith,You didn't post anything there that implies the actual physical blood of Jesus cleanses us as if it is “Mr. Clean” or something.John says “the blood of Christ…[Read more]

Keith:Quote Yes true, but the word “owlam” is there also which can be interpreted “forever”, a “long duration”, “antiquity”, or “ancient” depending on context.What does that have to do with “yowm”?  That's why the NIV says,Mic 5:2 NIV “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,14:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,04:14)MikeWhen Jesus touched the lepers (leprousy was a type of sin) he did not get infected by it, instead the essence or substance of God left him and healed them just as it left him and healed the woman with the issue of blood when Jesus said “who touched me” though…[Read more]

Hi Bod,This is from a post to Keith in the procreation thread.  I think you could take my line of reasoning here and expand on it…..if you want to.  I've already got too many irons in the fire right now, but I think you make an excellent point about the substance of God becoming tainted and I hope you research it more.  I will when I find the ti…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,04:14)MikeWhen Jesus touched the lepers (leprousy was a type of sin) he did not get infected by it, instead the essence or substance of God left him and healed them just as it left him and healed the woman with the issue of blood when Jesus said “who touched me” though he was being thronged by a crowd.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2010,17:31)Mike,This whole thing about God alone creating the heavens and the earth and then we find out that the Father and the Son were both involved is all about gaining new revelation as we go from OT to NT and also perspective.Hi Kathi,I agree that the NT sheds light on the OT.  But when did the NT ever prove…[Read more]