WJ:Quote Really? OK Mike, so what you are saying is that Psalms 2:6 is speaking of  Jesus being set upon his Holy Hill, Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem where thousands of Angels were in Joyful assembly billions of years ago before the beginning in Gen 1:1, then is when Jesus was born from God and the decree was made “Thou art my Son; THIS DA…[Read more]

Hi Keith,I said:Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,20:46)Keith, you just posted last night about the blood of Jesus.  You pointed to the scriptures that indicate that everything on earth is a “lessor copy” of what is in heaven.  How do you know there isn't a “Mt Zion” in heaven?  How do you know that Jesus hasn't been reigning from the heavenly Mt…[Read more]

Oh brother. Okay Kathi, can you post a specific scripture that says to worship only Jehovah that you think includes “Jehovah the Son”?Oh, and while your at it, maybe you could find a scripture that says Jehovah our God is TWO, instead of ONE. You have passed into the “Kangaroo Jack” realm Kathi……..otherwise known as the “Twilight Zone”. mike

Thank you ma'am.mike

So what are you saying Pierre? That the new heaven and earth have arrived, so therefore we can ignore what was written in the Law and worship God's Son along with Him? I know that can't be what you mean, but I'm not sure what it is you are saying here.mike

Hi Kathi,Here's what we know so far.  Scripture SPECIFICALLY says to worship Jehovah God ONLY.  It's is said many time in the OT, and Jesus quotes those same words in the NT.  You think the NT sheds light on some of what was said and done in the OT.  I couldn't agree more.  But the NT NEVER nullifies anything the OT says.  Jesus said he came not t…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 22 2010,17:17)The Ultimate goal is to Know God and Jesus. and since its impossible to Know God, than we must KNOW Jesus.I answered to this last night, but I guess it didn't post.  SF:Quote The Ultimate goal is to Know God and Jesus. and since its impossible to Know God, than we must KNOW Jesus.You're close to the…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:12)Now that I have dealt with the sidetrack of silliness, let's get back to the subject of the thread.What does your teaching produce in the heart of a man. After all it is with the heart that we believe. So what does the heart learn from your doctrine that enables him to grow in God or progross along the path…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 24 2010,09:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,11:57)Quote (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,02:25)As far as us not understanding every reason why God does a thing, that is true. However, God is just and fair as you have pointed out. He would not send an example and command us to follow in like manner then give that example knowledge…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:06)Mike,He is part of them as being their creator and sustainer but He is not part of them as a fellow sinner.That doesn't even make sense Kathi.I'll try to do a brief summary of our discussion so far tomorrow.peace and love,mike

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2010,00:03)8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousnessWe're half way there Ed.  I take it that you agree the “he saith” to the Son is implied even though it is not written in the words.Now, why would God say to the Son about Himself, “Your throne O God is…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 23 2010,06:36)Reply-What does that prove? You find one translation that does not use found and think you know something?Phil 2:8 uses the term “found” in the following –Hi Martian,Why are you talking about 2:8?  I am asking you about the last part of 2:7.  Miscommunication, I guess.  Yes, it is NOT the Greek word “ginomai…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,Thanks for coming!  You made a good post, and I agree with some of it.You asked:Quote HOW were those who Paul was speaking to suppose to be like minded with some spirit son deciding to come to earth and disguise himself as a human being? Are we not also suppose to be “like-minded” with God?  Are we not to always have in mind the things o…[Read more]

bumpSF:Quote like i said, from ancient times? which verse are you refering to again?  remember i told you that its refers to the hebrew “olam”?The verse is Micah 5:2….just like it says where I posted it on page one of this thread sonny.  And one of the words IS “owlam”.  Here's what NETBible says:Micah 5:2 NET As for you, Bethlehem Ep…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 21 2010,01:08)Mike………Did you notice it say (SHALL BE)  future tense , Shall be called a Son of GOD, Should not that clarify that fact he did (NOT) previously (EXIST) as a SON of GOD, at any time before his berth.  If he already was a Son of GOD in a Past existence it would Not have said He (SHALL BE) Called t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,19:43)Hi Mike,The verses Gene sites may not be so conclusive, but his attempt to use them is far from being lame.I appreciate this type of activity to illustrate how there conclusions are derived! Much better than IMO!Because I care about how there opinions are derived, that can be common ground for discussing the…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 20 2010,10:47)Mike,No problem with “adding” “of”. It was added by translators for Greek as you pointed out but, as you know the “of” doesn't exist.So the Ruwach of Elohim is good in Gen 1:2. Then the same is applied in Gen 2:7 the YHWH of Elohim.Still doesn't change that these are the two essences of the ONE Elohim, does…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 23 2010,09:50)LU and Terrarica, thanks.I was just curious why it says Almighty. My Mother uses this to say Jesus is God, she's sort of Trinitarian, oneness, I can't quite figure out which one ! But thankyou Terrarica I understand what you said.Hi Shimmer,Jesus is never called the “Almighty” anywhere in scripture.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,16:37)No Mike that is not what the context bears out…“We tell you the good news: “What God promised our fathers he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. “As it is written in the second Psalm:   “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.* ” Acts 13:33This is what the NET says Mik…[Read more]

Keith:Quote You see there you go again, the same questions expecting a different answer so now you want me to chase you down the rabbit hole again. Its like you never even read the post.What are you talking about?  You have yet to actually ANSWER the question……..as usual.Listen intently here Keith.  It doesn't really matter how many English t…[Read more]