Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,01:29)Therefore it is simple saying Jesus was like Adam before the fall.Except then it says, “and he was made in the likeness of a human being”. mike

Hi Martian,I'll give you the same challenge I gave Gene earlier today.  Tell me ONE single action you took today in behalf of furthering Jesus' teachings that you would not have been able to do if Jesus pre-existed.Can you still follow Jesus' teaching to give to the poor if Jesus pre-existed?Can you still preach the good news about God's Kingdom…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,03:28)If a person does a dishonest thing is he dishonest? I have proven many times that your interpretation processes are dishonest.PROVEN?  How?  Do you think I look up the words and then post DIFFERENT definitions than the one's the experts give?  Wouldn't you be able to just as easily look up those same words yo…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,I concur.  We agree that Jesus is a “mighty one”, or “god”……..but not THE God.Now what do we do with those scriptures that say Jesus is the “exact representation of God”, and is in the “nature of God” and “God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in him”?Can we go a little further and assume from statements like the above that…[Read more]

And JA,As someone who based almost his entire defense of the “begetting of Jesus” question on the word “day”  being used in Psalm 2:7, I feel you at least owe me a response to the following, which I posted to you earlier:Now, tell me once again how the same exact Hebrew word “day” absolutely positively HAS to refer to a “literal day” in Psalm…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 27 2010,07:43)I think 'Procreation' is this instance has been 'procrusteaned', 'stretched so as to conform' with the subject in question…Hi JA,Are you saying it's a “conspiracy”?  The publishers of the website Dictionary.com got together with me and changed their site to help me out a little?  JA:Quote Mike, there are n…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 27 2010,05:37)God has no deities as children as he clearly states he is the first and the last.Hi Kerwin,Then what do you make of John 1:18 that says Jesus is the “only begotten god”?What do you make of the other scriptures where Jesus is referred to as a “god”?  Like Is 9:6 for example?ps, God doesn't say He is the only…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 27 2010,05:33)Oh, by the way,  you need only scripture?  May be you could explain the purpose of Acts 8:31?  or why God has sent apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers?  As given in Ephesians 4:11?Be not wise in your own conceits.barleyAnd which of the trinitarian teachers do you suppose I should follow bar…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 27 2010,05:20)For that matter is Philippians 2 chronological?  Where does the scripture say so?  Could it be something else? Is it a summation of actions that occurred simultaneously?  You have never considered that as a possibility because your agenda is already in your mind.Okay then oatmeal,Show me step by step how Phil 2…[Read more]

And Gene,You ignore one very simple human logic.  The Lord Jesus Christ is for me and Irene and Pierre the same exact example of how we should think and behave as he is to you and Martian.Are you able to somehow follow Jesus more readily than we are because you make him nothing but a man in your mind?  Are you and Martian better equipped to s…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,03:30)If so please show us this process of MORPHING and What Purpose it would Serve in the Plan and Will of GOD with Humanity.Gene,Please show God's purpose and plan for humanity by making the earth round.  What was His plan for humanity by making avalances?  How about volcanos and hurricanes and mosquitos?You a…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 27 2010,04:45)Do Spirits produce physical? No! So how did God, a Spirit, reproduce, procreate, a 'physical' spirit Son?Clearly, the analogy is wrong. It is the wrong analogy to say 'God Procreates'. Spirits do not 'procreate'.Of course spirits must be “physical” beings JA.  Otherwise there would be no end to one angel and…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 27 2010,03:56)How many months have you been at your attempt to prove the unproveable and yet, not one other has upheld your claim. Does this not suggest something to you?Hi JA,Do you remember posting the following about the word “DAY” in Micah 5:2?JA:Quote Mike, WJ,It is quite clear and obvious that 'days of Eternity'…[Read more]

He already did Ed……he already did. mike

Hi JA,So you can't refute my understanding logically?  Didn't think you could.   Btw, my understanding is confirmed by the early church fathers Eusebius and Ignatius. Not to mention Kathi, Georg, Irene, t8, and Pierre.  So “Yes”, others DO understand my “ideology” as scriptural…….even if it hasn't been shown to you yet.Why don't you take a sh…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,14:24)Irene,How can you say that 1:18 has nothign to do with 15?i already gave my analysis.       Did you hear that Irene?  We all better back off because SF gave his “analysis”!   And earlier, he said: Quote Irene, if you saw the beginning of this thread,I already proved that Co. 1:15 depends on 1:18– this…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 27 2010,02:14)barely……………….Amen Brother. Mike reminds me of a person who strains out a gnat and swallows a Camel. These preexistences do every bit as much damage to the Kingdom of GOD as Trinitarians, they are SEPARATIST WHO SEPARATE OUR IDENTITY WITH JESUS AS A HUMAN BEING AND THEREBY  DENY THE WORK OF GOD…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 26 2010,23:41)I book that I would recommend that you find and read is Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille's book on the subject of pneuma hagion.Hi barley,Thanks, but unlike you and Martian, the only book I need is the Bible.  I don't need some other mere human telling me how to believe.Besides, I've used clear scriptural knowledge to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 26 2010,03:03)Mike do you see any difference in Jesus being a son of GOD as we are, YES YOU DO,Hi Gene,You are right, I DO see a difference.  But I am in good company:Matt 16:13-18 NIV 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14They replied,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 26 2010,04:02)Mike,Did God say “Today, I know you…” to Jeremiah?Or did you just add those words to your Scripture quote?Hey JA,No, those words aren't in scripture.  The point I was trying to make was that the setting of Jesus on Zion as King doesn't have to be the same day as the “Today God begot me”.  The JW's think S…[Read more]