Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 29 2010,08:53)Dennison Actually the literal translation of Micah 5:2 from the LXX into English by Sir Lancelot C. L. Brenton 1851 is as…2 And thou, Bethleem, house of Ephratha, art few in number to be reckoned among the thousands of Juda; yet out of thee shall one come forth to me, to be a ruler of Israel; and his “…[Read more]

On the contrary Irene, Martian's post deserves a pat on the back, not a tile. By his failure to respond to solid points, he has by default admitted that he can't.He will not ever be able to explain how someone who already was a human being can be made into one, and so his ONLY defense is to run and hide from the question.He will NEVER be able to…[Read more]

Shimmer:Quote But Mike, if a few people here agree with you that doesnt prove it as truth,  theres a whole world, millions of people, It's not ME I'm trying to get people aligned with, but what the scriptures teach.  And if one single person out there sees that Micah 5:2 specifically talks about Jesus' beginning, then that's one person out there t…[Read more]

That's it?!?!  Really guys?  Personal attacks of me, but not ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURALLY BACKED REBUTTAL? We have the brain trust in agreement that if it says “this day” it must be a literal day, but if it says “day of antiquity” then it isn't literal…….but nothing to actually back that up. I wonder if it says “bad day” it must be a literal day, b…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2010,22:56)Mike,I just wanted to encourage you to keep searching for truth. You are learning a lot and you try to answer everybody with thoughtful posts. Don't let these guys discourage you. Regarding 'begotten' the creeds decree that it was before the ages and that would mean that those who hold to the creeds would…[Read more]

Martian:Quote On several occasions you have said that the manner/process in which you come to your conclusions is none of my business.I said it ONCE, and reaffirmed it ONCE.  Let me change it.  It is not important to the discussion HOW I came to my understanding.  If I understand a certain scripture one way, and you have some “expert Hebrew cu…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 28 2010,01:10)Today I took hope that I could overcome problems in my life because I have the example of a human being just like me that did overcome the world. I can look at the scriptures that call him human and need not augment it in any way. there is not mystery to attempt to understand. there are no unanswered questions…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 28 2010,00:35)None of them illiminate the theory that elephants can fly either. Does that mean they can?Only if mixed in among the scriptures that don't eliminate the possibility that elephants could fly, there were several that clearly said they could! mike

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 27 2010,17:34)Mike! If Martian is still being Mean to you, maybe he needs another tile….. it also shows his bad fruit……Peace Irene Thanks for your support and kindness Irene.peace and love,mike

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 28 2010,15:18)Did Jesus pre-exist, What day was he begotten,Was He procreated,How,Why,When,What,Where,Why all the questions,Hi Shimmer,John 17:3 NWT3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.I'm taking in knowledge Shimmer.  And lovin' e…[Read more]

Keith:Quote You can't even present a verse that translates “mowtsa'ah” as beginning. How about the LXX Keith?  Jesus and the apostle's quoted it more than the Hebrew – and it says “beginning”.  Is that “authentic” enough for you?Keith:Quote if Jesus had a “beginning” then that would mean there was a beginning before Gen 1:1 which teaches us that  …[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 28 2010,14:16)Man isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.  You won't answer him because he makes a good point.WJReally Keith? You of all people should know how JA likes to sling insults – usually involving the word “thrashing”, for some reason – without actually scripturally defending his claims. You say he…[Read more]

Keith:Quote First of all why didn't you address the TWOT? Not only did I address it, I asked these questions about how you understand that info:Quote Keith, God said he would send a ruler whose “origin is from the ancient past”.  1.  Did Jesus have his origin around the time of David?  2.  Did he not exist until “around the time of David”?  3.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 28 2010,14:03)Hi Mike,Why should Gene and Martian call Jesus Lord?if he is the same as the rest of us, do they call others Lord as well?That's a good question Ed.  I wonder how many “men” they call their “Lord”.  Especially “men” who are exactly the same as they are. Gene didn't answer my question, did he?  I'd really like to kn…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 28 2010,04:19)Here is something to consider, “WHAT IS (MAN) THAT SO KIND TO HIM YOU SHOULD BE , FOR YOU HAVE MADE HIM LOWER THEN THE ANGLES BUT HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, BUT WE DO NOT SEE MAN NOW CROWNED WITH GLORY AND HONOR , (BUT) WHAT DO WE SEE, WE (SEE) JESUS WHO WAS (MADE LOWER THEN THE ANGLE) CROWNED…[Read more]

Keith:Quote In other words Mike if you want to say that this means Jesus  had a beginning then the only beginning it would be speaking of is “the ancestry of the expected ruler that traces way back to David’s time as well as David’s city”. When he came in the flesh as the “offspring of David”. In other words his “origins” are from the “days of…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 27 2010,19:30)Day, this day, what day, there was no such thing as 'days' nor any such thing as 'day' before there were days.God would have had to say, 'You are my Son, From Eternity I have begotten you'.Hi JA,I won't answer to your arrogant posturing any longer.  I made the mistake of letting you get under my skin…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 24 2010,16:36)Mike,It does not say that you must have “knowledge” of both of them.John 17:3 NWTThis means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.Scripture begs to differ with you.mike

Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,02:03)Actually I do not use implication. My conclusions come from very clear unquestioned scripture.Well, you can't just use the scriptures you want to Martian. I've showed you a couple “very clear unquestioned scriptures” during this debate, but you don't want to include them in your “cannon”.You mention the Son of…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,01:33)BTW A big part of the reason I get tiles is because one of the moderators is a pre-exister.All 3 of us moderators are “pre-existers” Martian. And none of us are trinitarians, yet you don't see WJ getting blocks. And just so you know, I have never personally reported any of your posts or given you a block.And…[Read more]