From NETNotes:ginosko 1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel 1a) to become known 2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge ofI'm having deja vu here. I just had this exact same converstation about the exact same scripture with Shimmer in the “Procreate” thread.Are we cool now? Does “my” translation meet…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 28 2010,03:59)Mike can't you see what you are doing, you are continually trying to SEPARATE JESUS FORM US.And you try to put the one through whom the universe was created on the same level as a mere sinful man.Tell me Gene, what particular ACT of kindness did you show your fellow man today that you couldn't have done if…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 29 2010,16:52)Now that i have answered your curiousity can we stop talking about beliefs, and talk about the Thread?much love old man,Absolutely my deranged juvenile delinquent. Dennison, do you believe Jesus always existed as a being? Or do you think God caused him to exist a some point?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 29 2010,16:01)Why would Paul state that Jesus is the Image of the Invisible God (that we know who is a living God) and than say he is firstborn of all creatures after words?Wouldnt it make more sense if it were backwords?No.  It wouldn't matter if Paul said, “he is the Immanuel, he is the firstborn from the dead, he…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 30 2010,12:29)Yes, Poor JA.  I was hoping for a Holy spirited answer but LU has posted twaddle – so i say so – should I have said something else? Like “Lets Debate this”?And you must be a tortured Soul – How long you been debating the same thing – you got LOCKJAW on Scripture or what?

JA:Quote Did 'Jesus' Come in the flesh…or did someone who became known, was given the name 'Jesus' come in the flesh?HA!  Whenever you make a point of saying “pre-Jesus” or explaining to us all that he wasn't “Jesus” until he was born of Mary, I always think to myself, “How does HE know?”  Really JA, how in the world do YOU know that “Jesus” w…[Read more]

JA to Mike:Quote Mike,I know you 'debating' this in open forum with WJ, but struth, brother…you are one tortured soul!JA to Kathi:Quote LU,You are a pointless poster. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about – I'm done with pointless arguments from you.Poor JA…….so many condescending judgements to pass – so little time.…[Read more]

JA:Quote and Micah 5:4 – what does it say that is revelational? Please.Here, read if for yourself………….from a couple of days ago:Keith:Quote I just realized that the verse is prophetic of the coming Messiah       Really Keith?  You JUST realized that even though Matthew clearly says it is?     No, it's more like, “I've just realized that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2010,16:23)So, the Father and the Son were part of the act of creation, the created beings were part of the act of creation also.  Just sayin' is all.Hi Kathi,God created cows.  Is God a part of the “group of cows”?God ALONE created……scripture says so plain and clear.  He chose to do that THROUGH Jesus, so I think it…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2010,16:39)Mike there is a bible program worth 6000$ at logos.com that has everything that you can almost have about the bible ,but it will burn you up.i thinkPierreHi Pierre,Are you offering to buy it for me? (I think I'll have a chance to look at you fax tonight)peace and love,mike

Hi Jodi,It's funny that you use one of my favorite pre-existent proof scriptures to support non-preexistence. “Jesus Christ HAS COME IN THE FLESH”  Where did he “COME” from?  Could I sensibly say about you, “Jodi Lee CAME IN THE FLESH about 1975”?  ( I don't actually know when you were born. )  What does that mean……CAME in the flesh?  Do…[Read more]

Keith:Quote Hi AllWhat we have here is a total misrepresentation of the scriptures and a denial of the fact that the word structure in Micah 5:2 and Psalms 2:7 are completely different and do not even relate.I will answer with the same post you supposedly “answered”:Mike:Quote We have the brain trust in agreement that if it says “this day” it must…[Read more]

Kathi,I'm into some heavy stuff with the “brain trust” of WJ and SF here. If you're going to divert the discussion, then at least have the good sense that God gave you to not make a claim that our Creator Jehovah is also a part “of creation”. peace and love,mike

Hi Jodi and Gene,Can either of you actually DIRECTLY answer the question?How can Jesus (or anyone for that matter) who is already a human being, be made in the likeness of a human being?Thanks in advance,mike

I know Irene.  If Jesus was ONLY flesh, then it wouldn't say he “partook” of the flesh.  It would be a senseless statement if he was nothing BUT flesh.The same with “he was OBLIGED to become like his brothers”.  If his ONLY existence was flesh, then what does that even mean?Let's keep plugging away anyway.  mike

Post it again in English SF. I'm not fluent in gibberish.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 29 2010,13:54)But Mike, yet you rely so much on NetNanny…How many times have I said i used nothing but Scriptures… No WetNanny (or naughtier!) No Compedium, no Strongs Concordance, no First Century Fathers writings – and yet I trounce all of you (Holy Spirited boast – what ever!)And here you are – at your wits end…[Read more]

SF:Quote You it says………… I DONT CARE!lol I dont care what YOU THINK, I want the Truth of it. Okay, fair enough.  How about Eusebius?  He was said to be the “greatest Greek teacher” and “the most learned theologian of his day”.  This is a man who grew up speaking the same Greek language that the NT was written in.  The phrase in Col 1:1…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 29 2010,10:04)Mike!  It seems no matter what you or I put down as prove they just imply something else.  Even clear Scriptures, which makes no sense to me…. Keep up the good work…. Time will come and all will come to the understanding of the truths……I just can't think of anything else to say to them, it is ironic and s…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2010,09:36)WJi can see you support the unsupported idea,tell me why would Christ be anything else than the image of is father.??Hi Pierre,Exactly.  And what difference would the order that the two phrases appeared in make?If it said Jesus was “King of kings and Lord of lords”, would it be somehow different than saying…[Read more]