Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2010,14:06)We all act out roles in life and that included Jesus He took on the Human role of a servantIs that what the scripture said Gene?  That Jesus was a human who took on the human role of a servant?Or does it say that Jesus took on the form of a servant…….AND WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING?And…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2010,13:14)Mike……………How do you figure barley's view is different then mineGene, I asked you to tell me exactly what part of barley's previous post you thought was “right”.  You haven't told me yet.  It was the post where he said that something that already was a cat could be made in the likeness of a cat.  …[Read more]

JA:Quote Mike, SF is right in that you say that Jesus is presented at one time as being 'from eternity' and at another time you say, 'This day'…'a day'!It cannot be both 'A Day' AND 'From Eternity'.Ah, but your argument is with scripture, not me.  For scripture PLAINLY says this ruler's “BEGINNINGS are from DAYS of ETERNITY”.  So tell s…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2010,08:33)……So the question is did Adam and Eve “freely” Chose to disobey GOD without any Cause bringing it about .No Gene,The question is……….”While balancing the influences of what God commanded against the lies Satan was telling her, did Eve still have the free will to make her own choice about eating…[Read more]

barley:Quote Maybe you could tell me how was it that Jesus Christ was in the form of God?  God is spirit.You answered your own question, barley.  Jesus was a “spirit being” like God, but emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a HUMAN BEING.barley:Quote Jesus Christ was body and soul until his baptism by John… That was when the spirit f…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2010,09:58)Mike that is all you do is hang onto only this as your proofs what about all the rest of Scripture , it say it is the Sum of GOD's Word that are truth anyone can take them out of Context and get all kinds of Misunderstandings  from them. barely is right  IMOFirst Gene,Could you tell me EXACTLY which t…[Read more]

Hi D,I'm on my third time through the scriptures and am currently in Acts.  I just found a couple more verses about who did the creating.Acts 14:15 NIV15″Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and…[Read more]

Hi barley,Okay…………..please explain to me how something that already IS a cat can be “made in the likeness of a cat”.And we aren't talking about “kings”, “lords” and “servants” right now.  We are talking ONLY about the part that says Jesus was “made in the likeness of a human being”.  And it doesn't say “in the likeness of ANOTHER human b…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,19:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2010,07:50)Hi D,This is from Shimmer's post in another thread:Another important feature of YLT is its treatment of the Hebrew word olam and the Greek word aion. These two words have basically the same meaning, and YLT translates them and their derivatives as “age” or “ag…[Read more]

SF:Quote Again now back on the subject, I do believe they are one and the same, so it wouldnt matter either way.  How does your “they are one and the same” theory fit in with the prayer in Acts 4?Acts 4:24 NIV24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven and the earth…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,19:51)Ok your confusing me on what you believeOkay, let me clarify for you what the scriptures plainly say. God created everything ALONE. God chose to create everything ALONE……THROUGH Jesus.Never is Jesus said to be our “Creator”, nor are there any scriptures that say we have “Creators”.God is our…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,19:51)If your stating that the greek “Eternity” is expressed only as something poetitic to express “antiquity” in hebrew, cant i also do the Vise versa, and say that the greek “arche” means actually “origin” as it means in hebrew. Isnt that also part of the poetitic rhyming?What exactly do you think “origin”…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,19:51)NETNOTES:4 tn Heb “his goings out.” The term may refer to the ruler’s origins (cf. NAB, NIV, NRSV, NLT) or to his activities.The note before you mention said that it had a possibility to mean his activities, which would change the meaning compeletly.  But again it does not say beginning. here is the de…[Read more]

Kerwin? Are you out there?mike

Hi Gene, You said:Quote Blah, blah, blah…….Just answer a question once in a while Gene. Is it REALLY your understanding that Jesus took on the form of “a particular servant who happened to be in the process of being made in the likeness of a servant at the time”?Because that's what you twisted the words to imply……so is that REALLY your…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Oct. 17 2010,03:23)To choose Bread or noodles.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2010,13:58)Hi Pierre,Thanks for sharing your favorite Psalm.  I like this part:Ps 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand. Ps 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory. Ps 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 16 2010,01:30)“The Son reflects the nature of the father”…….. NOT……. “the Father reflects the nature of the Son”.Very nice JA!  Mixed in among the many scriptures that CLEARLY distinquish Jesus as someone other than and lessor to God, you have found one that subtly says it louder than many of the “clearly stated”…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2010,00:58)Kerwin………..God did not ask them he commanded them to chose life.Hi Gene,Yet, some of them ignored God's “command”. Hmmmmm………I guess we are not robots after all. I guess we DO have the free will to decide whether or not to follow God's “commands”. mike

Well put Kerwin. I can get on board with that.