I enjoyed your response Stu. Witty as ever my good man. I'll check in on you in another couple of months. peace and love,mike

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 19 2010,14:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 19 2010,14:34)That doesn't make any sense Ed.If the Holy Spirit dwelt IN Jesus, then the Holy Spirit dwelt IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH.  That's a far cry from the Holy Spirit being a flesh and blood being itself, don't you think?mikeHi Mike,Could you use different words,I don't follow what…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 19 2010,14:35)The “HolySpirit” became flesh in Jesus, now he becomes flesh in us.Aren't “spirit” and “flesh” two completely different things? If “spirit” BECOMES “flesh”, then it is no longer “spirit”, right?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2010,14:58)Jesus spoke from the viewpoint of being a man in His humanity and from the viewpoint of being God OF God in His divinity.Hi Kathi,To which scripture do you refer where Jesus spoke as “God OF God”?mike

Kathi:Quote If ALL knees shall bow by the direction of the Father then that tells you that He is someone divine and not someone equal to an earthly king.Agreed.  Jesus is more than an earthy king…………but he is LESS THAN his God, as proven by Ezekiel 34:24, Micah 5:4, John 10:29, 13:16, and 14:28, among many others. Kathi:Quote It is the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 19 2010,03:05)Mike ……….that is not a mute Point at all it is the whole point Paul was driving at, of course you would say it is a mute point because you do not want to deal with it. You say you want to hone on one or two words that can be taken many way as i have already shown you,Hi Gene,I think Paul was saying…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 18 2010,19:02)I see you came up with a base I had not thought of. If I understand your interpretation correctly Jesus first had the nature of God and then afterward was made in human likeness. I on the other hand see that Jesus has the righteous nature of God at the same time he was made into human likeness.Hi Kerwin,You…[Read more]

That doesn't make any sense Ed.If the Holy Spirit dwelt IN Jesus, then the Holy Spirit dwelt IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH. That's a far cry from the Holy Spirit being a flesh and blood being itself, don't you think?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2010,14:23)You seem to think that He was at one point weaker, less wise, less powerful than the Father and then the Father gave Him these powers at some point after being begotten. I think He had them from the get go of His being begotten and existed for Him even before being begotten.Hi Kathi,Not “at one point”, but…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,20:20)Hi Irene,Here are the FACTS, according to The Bible…“The Word”(Holy Spirit) became fully flesh(in Jesus) at Jesus baptism by John;He(Holy Spirit) led Jesus into the wilderness in Luke 4:1 and He(Holy Spirit)caused Jesus to return from the wilderness in Luke 4:14! He(Holy Spirit)also made Jesus aware that he(…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2010,12:31)The angels were told to worship the Son…right?Kathi:Quote The angels were told to worship the Son…right?Wrong.  The “all knees shall bow” should be enough for you to know that use of “proskuneo” has the “doing obeisance” meaning.Kathi:Quote John 5:23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the…[Read more]

Hi Irene,Just some info for you before you answer Kathi's post:The Greek word “proskuneo” can be translated as “doing obeisance to” or “worship” as in the worship of God.This same word was used for the man bowing down to King David in 2 Sam 1:2 AND for the “worship of God”.Don't let Kathi convince you there is actually any scripture describing the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2010,03:33)Thanks for your answer Mike!And thanks for your honest answer that if the same circumstances involved Jesus instead of Paul, you would count “bowing down to” as “God Worship”. Doesn't that tell you something?  Are you maybe reading the scriptures with a bias that you yourself are not fully aware of?peace and…[Read more]

Really Kathi?  I don't think they were used to worshipping the ONLY TRUE GOD through his Son.  To them, it had always been only YHVH, and Paul was introducing them to YHVH's Son, whom we must go through to be saved.That's what I THINK, anyway. Why, do you know of any instance where Paul indicated we should worship Jesus or that Jesus was God? Wha…[Read more]

Hi Gene,I don't think that's what Paul was saying at all, but that's a moot point. I would like to discuss with you and Kerwin exactly what message Paul was trying to convey…………but after we agree on the words he himself wrote.Can you agree that your understanding has Paul writing that someone who already was a human being was made in the…[Read more]

Hi guys!Good post there JA.  I have often thought similarly.  Mankind is intelligent enough to fly to the moon and “cure” diseases.  We are also intelligent to know that if we could fly to unmeasurable heights and dive to the bottom of the deepest ocean – without machines – none of us would be starving to death right now.  But with all that int…[Read more]

Hi Gavriel,How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation? And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider? The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know.Just some food for thought.peace and love,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,05:00)Adam and EVE they wanted to be FREE from GOD and Be a GOD unto themselves to decide for themselves, so they exercised their Will as being FREE from GOD'S WILLAnd therein lies the truth of the matter Gene.  “They exercised their Will as being FREE from GOD'S WILL”.  These are YOUR words Gene.  And those wo…[Read more]

I give up on this one Gene.  I don't see the issue of “free will” as something that could keep us from God.  I showed you that Eve most definitely made a free will choice after balancing the influences of what God said against what Satan said.  Discoursing with you is like beating my head against a wall sometimes.  You are set in your ways, and…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I found another one:Acts 16:29-30 NIV 29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”I wonder if this incident happened to Jesus instead of Paul and Silas if you would use it as a “proof text” of Jesus being “worshipped as God”?So…[Read more]