Hi D,You said:Quote Mike your trying awefully hard to change what scripture say into saying that Jesus was created, its says his beginnings/origins are from enternity/eons ago poetitcaly, but it doesnt say he was born, or was created from this exact time.Your trying to say that this “IMPLIES” that he was created, and it doesnt. Listen very…[Read more]

Bump for Ed, since he got distracted by SF.  JA would sure be interested in knowing that “Son of God” and “Satan” have the same number value, for he thinks Satan was God's “real” firstborn. Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 20 2010,19:43)I believe “Jesus“=74 was a real flesh and blood person who was filled with the HolySpirit,Hi Ed,Then it was Jesus, not the…[Read more]

Kathi,This is how I see it.1.  Jehovah said to worship only Jehovah.  He said He was a jealous God and would share His glory with NO OTHER.2.  Moses said to worship ONLY Jehovah.3.  Isaiah said to worship ONLY Jehovah.4.  The same was said by almost EVERY Bible writer there was.5.  Jesus said to worship ONLY Jehovah.6.  Paul said he worshi…[Read more]

Pierre:Quote ONE QUESTION;DO ANY ONE OF THE EARLY CHURCH HAVE THE CREDIENCIALS OF THOSE IN SCRIPTURES ??SECOND QUESTION;;WHAT DO THEY TEACH THAT IS DIFFERENT ,OR BETTER THAN WHAT SCRIPTURES SAYS???THIRD QUESTION;;WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACH EVEN IT IS DONE FOR THE WRONG REASONS,WITH ALL SORTS OF LIES Pierre I have one more to…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote Those who worshiped the sun, did they not include the rays as part of the sun and the heat as from the sun? What?!?  Now you worship the Sun, too?         Just kidding, I had to “go there” since you said not to. Kathi, if we use your analogy of the sun, and scriptures say to only worship the body of the sun itself, and even the rays…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 22 2010,19:27)When you search by a word it shows up red, when it is new post the word new is red (mine too)Yes, I brought this up to t8 a while back, but I've figured out what Wm has.  If you search “NEW posts”, it sometimes, but not always, renders the word “NEW” in red letters.mike

Bump for Kerwin:Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2010,12:57)I believe you have reached the conclusion that Colossians 1:18 is speaking of the new creation and Colossians 1:15 is speaking of the old.Hi Kerwin,Does this scripture relate to the “new” or “old” creation?Hebrews 1:2 NIVbut in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Oct. 24 2010,02:03)I am not really concerned about what you think I mean or how I sound.In addition forums are a waste of time. Entertainment is the best that can be accomplished. I am sorry that you have yet to learn that.Hi Kerwin,I was wondering how the shoe fits now that it is on the other foot?  Do you think it is also the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:48)I have said it many times, that whether “through” or “by” the fact is that Jesus created and had participation in the creation of this universe.Hi D-Linquent 2 Kings 19:15 NIVAnd Hezekiah prayed to the LORD : “O LORD, God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 20 2010,19:43)I believe “Jesus“=74 was a real flesh and blood person who was filled with the HolySpirit,Hi Ed,Then Jesus, not the Holy Spirit, is who “became flesh” and dwelled among us, right?mike

Kathi:Quote Mike,We all worship the Father in part because we do not see Him as He fully is. I'm not sure what that even means.  I worship Jehovah Almighty, Creator of the heavens, earth, and EVERYTHING in them……including Jesus.  I worship Him COMPLETELY even though I could not possibly “fully” know Him.Kathi:Quote When Paul said those words h…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 22 2010,09:55)It simply means, like 'ventured out a number of times',Sorry JA,But SF, I, and almost every Biblical scholar out there disagree with your “opinion” on this subject.  Maybe it's time you check out “WetNanny” so you can get a little background on the meanings of the Hebrew words used before you post your…[Read more]

SF:Quote Basically mike, I wouldnt used activities either until i see the line of reasoning why they would mention that. Since i havent seen the proof, i wouldnt use it. Very good, young man.  So then it means either “origin” or “beginning”.  And both of those words mean that Jesus was “caused to exist”.SF:Quote In Hebrew, from the Net it uses t…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 22 2010,12:45)I'm not a true trinitarian, but I do believe that Jesus pre-existed.Hi Wm,I'm not any kind of trinitarian at all. But I know that scripture PLAINLY teaches that Jesus pre-existed. The pre-existence of Jesus has nothing at all to do with the Trinity Doctrine.peace and love,mike

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2010,12:57)I believe you have reached the conclusion that Colossians 1:18 is speaking of the new creation and Colossians 1:15 is speaking of the old.Hi Kerwin,Does this scripture relate to the “new” or “old” creation?Hebrews 1:2 NIVbut in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things,…[Read more]

Col 1:16 NIV16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.I think problems arise from the NIV and other translator's use of the word “BY” in 1:16.  The word is more accurately translated as “THROUGH”, and…[Read more]

Hi Martian,You left out the quality of believing and following scriptural truth, no matter whether it fits into our own ideals or not. You have had some time off. Has that given you an opportunity to come up with one thing you ever did in your entire life to follow Jesus that you couldn't have done if he pre-existed?How about your church buddies…[Read more]

Hi Ed,If the earth is made of rudiments or elements, and they all dissove……………where does that leave the earth?And you didn't address the fact that the “seas will cease to exist”.mike

I am so tired of people pretending scriptures don't say what they plainly say just to keep the words from “stepping on the toes” of what they WANT the scriptures to say.I'll let SF go through it with you this time, Ed.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:59)Yet we know that Christ Created,Show me scripturally.mike