Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 25 2010,07:15)This should help you see that God's glory is seen with the Son as His radianceHi Kathi,No one here is arguing that Jesus doesn't reflect God's glory.  But you seem to lose sight of the fact that it is GOD'S glory, not God/Jesus' glory.And are we supposed to worship things that radiate GOD'S glory, or ONLY the…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Are you now saying that Jesus HAS the glory of God? Or does Jesus, just like everything else God made, “reflect” the glory of God?Please clarify.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 25 2010,06:44)Mike………So what is you answer to JA alter EGO POST,? I am waiting with anticipation , I think i already know what it will be though.peace and love…………………….geneHi Gene,I didn't even bother with the insults and the arrogant, condescending parts.  They have no place here, and maybe JA is…[Read more]

JA:Quote No, only if they were equal to start with, could he become superior to them, become the 'hero' among them, 'be better' than them.Ah, but it is your misunderstanding that Jesus “became superior” to the angels.  The scripture actually says,Heb 1:4 NIV4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2010,17:57)Mike Boll,  John 1: 3 is speaking of the Word of God which may also be the Spirit of God. Hi Kerwin,You are correct that John 1:3 speaks of the “Word of God”.  And you need only read Rev 19:13 to clearly understand who that “Word of God” who “became flesh”, “dwelled among us”, and “had the glory of an only b…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2010,18:04)If you play with a dangerous animal and get injured why blame the animal.I wasn't “injured” by the things Martian said to me. I was “injured” by those I didn't think to be “dangerous animals” joining in the attack.

Hi All,I've found a verse in Acts that I've never seen mentioned before in relation to John 1:1, and I think it sheds some light on the matter.Acts 28:6 NIV6The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead, but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.Like John 1:1,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,04:30)Mke……..So let examine another Lie then………..You and the rest say Jesus was (the) Word of GOD right, You all quote John I:1 as Jesus being (the) word mentioned there right, But as i have brought out before it SAYS (“THE WORD (WAS) GOD”) So how can that be then if JESUS WAS (THE) definite article…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2010,01:17)if God exist prior to Christ his son ,then he is God before and he still the same God after Christ , it is not PART GOD +THE SON =GOD.RIGHT???Hi Pierre,Exactly.  God is the same being He was before He begot His Son, and it is ONLY Him we are to worship, not things that came from Him – or else where would we…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 24 2010,16:08)Mike,But scriptures don't only say to worship part of God, they say to worship God.Hi Kathi,Truer words have never been spoken! God's Holy Spirit is “a part of God”, therefore we don't worship it as a separate entity. For like you so aptly pointed out, scriptures say to worship “GOD”, not His “individual…[Read more]

Hi Ed,So you equate the word “waters” being used for “people” with the “seas” that will “cease to exist”.I don't see it that way, but I also don't see how it changes what we need to do to be saved, so can we just agree to disagree on this one?As I continue my daily Bible reading, maybe a scripture will shed some new light for me. And if it does,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:17)Hi Mike,I been wanting to respond to this correctly for the longest time to your reference to “Graven Images”Hi D,First, it's off topic.  Second, I don't think God's intention was to say we are not to worship handmade idols……………..but it's okay to worship real live people and things, do you?…[Read more]

Hi All,The following is a prayer that Peter and John made in Acts 4:24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:   ” 'Why do the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)No, This is my way of saying stick to the subject in hand. You always deviate to a new topic. in other words untopical. Well, you've brought up the “Jesus is God” thing in this thread already. And Micah 5:4 nips it in the bud like a big dog. When will we discuss this scripture? Should I start a…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)What the heck Mike, You want to focus so much that God created things “through” Jesus. Whether Through or by, the fact is that Jesus created and period. IF you want to believe that Jesus is the Tool and God is the builder, no matter how much you want to say that the builider created, the truth is he…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)So was God BORN or caused to exist because of his first acts?Scripture never says God's “beginning” was from a certain point in time, does it? SF: Quote No because you want to imply that Eternity is just a poetitics, so the same can be done for beginnings. even the Context of the Word “arche” represents…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)Because your implying its says “Jesus was caused to exist” but it doesnt say that. It says his beginnigs/origins are from old/antiquity/eternity,Your two sentences don't even make sense together D-Linquent.You say I imply “caused to exist”, but it only speaks of his “beginning”. Wasn't your “beginning”…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)I believe that Beginnings is a poetitic way of saying that he has been around sinced the beginning just like the “word” was in the beginnning in John 1:1, the same way you believe that “eternity” is poetitic.I don't believe “eternity” is “poetic”. I believe that “eternity” is a mistranslation of the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)Ya because you keep on bringing it up as they are seperate persons, but the subject of Micah 5:2 has nothing to do with that.Is this a case of, “HE STARTED IT, DAD!” ? All I'm saying is that if you are going to say, “I think they are one and the same”, then you are making this thread about “Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 22 2010,17:02)Point is that he came “from”.Its as if i told you “Im from czechoslovakia” which doesnt exist anymore.So you think the scripture is saying that “the place Jesus came out from” was “from days of antiquity”? If not, then please drop the “place of going out from” definition, as it is nothing but a diversion.mike