Jodi, what happened to John 17:5?  Is it true that Jesus that prayed to his God to be restored to the glory HE WAS HAVING alongside his God before the world began?

Jodi:  Jesus isn’t filled with spirit entities…

So then your answer is yes, right?  You DO believe that Jesus, sitting at the right hand of God right now, is the only flesh and blood human being dwelling in heaven where every other being is not flesh and blood, but a spirit entity?

Jodi:  I do not get at all what you mean by me speaking a contradiction. Today a virgin can have a baby through artificial insemination, so the ability to be born of a virgin is actually no longer unique.

Inseminated with what, exactly?  Male human sperm, right?  Who provided the male human sperm for Mary’s insemination?  The coming anointed one…[Read more]

Jodi:  Mike your understanding cannot be correct, because it works against other clear passages. Isaiah tells you that all flesh will come to worship God. David tells you he died having his flesh rest in hope. Ezekiel tells you that the dry bones shall live where God will give people a heart of flesh and by His Spirit He will cause those with a h…

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Mike: And if the first one was a combination of Father and Son from the beginning, then the second one is an identical combination of Father and Son. So now we have two Gods who are both a combination of Father and Son. Is that your claim?

Kathi:  The OO, before asexual reproduction begins, is one living organism. The OO (as if the OO has a…

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Jodi:  God’s word from the beginning was a man who in him is life?

No.  Jesus, who has as one of his many titles “The Word of God” because he is God’s main spokesman, was with his and our God in the beginning, and later was made flesh and dwelt upon the earth for a while.  The Word of God was not a man in the beginning, but was made so about 4000…[Read more]

Carmel: THUS THE PROBLEM MIKE IS THAT

YOU, JODI, and GENE 

DONT KNOW WHO THE MASTER IS.
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time:

Sit on my right hand,

until I make thy enemies thy footstool?

I REPEAT: In the above Mike

WHO SERVES WHO?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Jesus is the servant, Carmel.  His and our God, YHWH, is…[Read more]

For anybody believing the absurdity that pilots gauge their attitude (level) on ambient pressure, you only need to Google “gyroscope airplane”. For anybody who has experienced turbulence on a plane, you already know that ambient pressure isn’t built in precise layers, such that a pilot could just navigate via pressure and keep his plane at an…[Read more]

There is no manual adjustment any pilot makes to gradually dip his nose down. Nor is there any fancy mechanism that does it for him. He knows he’s flying level based solely on the level of the gyro when he was on the runway. If he deviates from runway level at all, his instrument will show this deviation, and inform him that he is no longer…[Read more]

For those who don’t know, pilots keep their planes level according to the gyro that was spun up on the runway. ANY deviation from this gyro-level will show on the attitude meter, raising or lowering the artificial wings with regard to the artificial horizon on the attitude meter. Even a TEMPORARY dip of only 1 degree will put the artificial wings…[Read more]

Assuming a flat earth for training purposes would have DRAMATIC consequences if the earth was actually a ball. Flying a mere 90 miles at gyro-level would put the surface of the earth more than a mile farther below the plane than it was when it originally reached cruising altitude.

After a 3000 mile flight, you’d be 1143 miles above the surface…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike…. you say you believe in the preexistence of Jesus. Can you produce any scriptures that say he was alive before his existence on this earth, as a human being?

Absolutely… lots of them.  Jodi and I have just begun to discuss the first one I brought up… John 17:5.

Gene: Mike …I would like to know about Kerwin also, I wonder if anyone knows , he had a sever kidney problem, I tride to search for him but was unable to find him.  Would love to know if he is OK .

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

That’s too bad.  He loved this forum, so since he’s no longer here, I’ll assume he’s gone to sleep with his fathers.

Kathi:  The eternal Father and eternal Son were not made otherwise they would not be eternal.

There is no “eternal Son” mentioned in any scripture. Even your cell analogy makes it clear that at first there was just ONE, and then later that one created a DIFFERENT one.  Not to mention that the very terms “Father” and “Son” that Jesus and his God…[Read more]

Kathi: “Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,” declares the LORD. “Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people.

Who does the “I” and “My” refer to?

Both refer to “the LORD”.

Berean:  Yes Jeremiah 33 is about Jesus.

Jeremiah 33:16

In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely, and this is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.

Please explain.  Is the city of Jerusalem actually Jesus?  I don’t get it.

Kathi: The original cell becomes two distinct cells,  and BOTH distinct cells equally have original and new substance within them…

So then God changed?  He has grown new substance that He didn’t have previously, and so his makeup is now a mixture of what He used to be – and some new substance that wasn’t there before?

Kathi:  It gave me a rea…

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Jodi: Hi Carmel,

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Jesus is saying directly that he is not a spirit. A spirit does not have flesh and bones. Jesus has flesh and bones thus he makes the point that he is not a spirit.

Agreed.

Jodi: 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

with -para, from, of 

glorify though me (the Son of Man) with thine own self with the glory which I (the Son of Man) had of thee before the world was.

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Carmel: Hi Mike,

YOU: Or from His holy servant Jesus,

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time:

Sit on my right hand,

until I make thy enemies thy footstool?
In the above Mike

WHO SERVES WHO?

Well, let’s sort it out then.  Pharaoh once bestowed great honor, authority and riches on Joseph, right?  He gave Joseph his si…[Read more]