Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:17)MikeRead it closely, it is Johns words that is commentating what Jesus meant!Therefore the Jews sought “the more to kill him”, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, “MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD. John 5:18WJAnd if I knew you didn't steal the car, but others…[Read more]

And the word most translations render as “equal” is “isos”. This is how Strong defines it:2470. isos ee'-sos probably from 1492 (through the idea of seeming); similar (in amount and kind):–+ agree, as much, equal, like.John surely knew that Jesus was not “equal” to God, for John directly quotes Jesus many time saying he was not.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:09)MikeI never said the Pharisees were alright with it.I said they could not blame him for “their actions”.But they could blame him for claiming he was equal to GodDo you hear yourself Keith?You actually believe that Jesus saying he was God's Son was MORE offensive to them than him being worshipped as if…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:09)But they could blame him for claiming he was equal to God by saying “God was his personal Father” and that he was “One with him”. So they went after his claims to equality with the Father. You should listen to Johns commentary Mike for he says…Therefore the Jews sought “the more to kill him”, because…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:51)Sorry Mike I just blew a big hole in one of your so-called air tight theories! Okay Mr “Airtight”. Answer to the two scriptures for now. I've got no time for this “the Pharisees were alright with Jesus being worshipped as God” stuff. I'll research it. Maybe I'll come up with King Josiah…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:46)Hello people, this is no ordinary man. But in fact he claims equality with God.Never. But just stick to the worship question at hand. I've given two NT examples……..what say you?mike

Hey Keith,How about when Cornelius bowed down to Peter? Do you think Cornelius thought Peter was actually Jehovah God in the flesh?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:32)MikeAgain you create a fallacy and a strawman because why would the Pharisees stone someone for being worshipped.The sin would be against those that worshipped him, right?They didn't know how to react to this behavour by others, it is obvious, so instead they accused him for making himself equal to God,…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 02 2010,13:33)Hi all, I only have a moment spare but..When Jesus said “Why do you call me good ? There is none good but God” if you think spiritually instead of useing the words only, Jesus was humbling himself. How often do you humble yourself enough to say “Im not good, why call me good ?” Jesus therefore was showing where…[Read more]

It suffices. Thanks Ed. mike

Hey Keith,What about this…………2. The formerly blind man “proskuneo'd” Jesus right in front of the Pharisees who were looking for a reason to kill Jesus. Do you think accepting “God-worship” would have been reason enough?………..and the rest of my post?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:19)MikeIt doesn't matter they both mean “Good”.WJNot always.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:18)Now please show us where the NT use of the word does not mean “Worship” but a bowing down with respect!I see.  So if the same Greek word is used of David, it is not worship, but it also doesn't count because that's an OT instance, huh?Okay, how about Rev 3:9?9 I will make those who are of the synagogue…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,12:53)Hi Everyone!Pierre infers Jesus is not good! But Jesus says…I am the “GOOD SHEPHERD “, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. John 10:14The text does not say “true shepherd” though we know Jesus is “true”.So who shall we believe, Jesus or Pierre?Actually, maybe Pierre is on to something here. It is…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Welcome back.  I hope things are getting better at home for you and yours.Let's get you up to speed here.  We are all aware of the different uses of “proskueo”.  It could mean “God-worship”, or it could just mean bowing down to show reverrence or honor.1.  The man in 2 Samuel 1:2 “proskuneo'd” David. (LXX)  Did that mean the man was wosh…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 02 2010,12:20)Hi JustAskin,Is this Post really to me or meant for MikeBoll64 instead?You seem to be speaking to Mike while addressing me? Could you please explain what this means?… …'How you find one person at one time or another is your own affair.'…Hi Ed,You made the mistake of saying you find me…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 02 2010,05:51)Mike may appear 'open minded' when you want amusement against another. Did i not say before that that was his personal tactic…to say, 'hey, i'm open to things if you can prove it to me….' but he never does accept anything anyone says,You say this knowing full well that it is because of YOUR teaching that I…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 02 2010,05:27)My apology to the both of you.Accepted……….thanks.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2010,11:35)IN THE BEGINNING (of everything) WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.YES Gene!  Yes, yes yes! That's EXACTLY what it would say.  THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.1.  And we KNOW that “THE POWER” is referring to THE God Almighty, right?2.  And we know the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2010,13:21)You are right Mike, I do have a life outside of HN.  My husband and my youngest were driving from out of state all day and I had a wonderful retreat in the Lord right at home.  I also taught my second oldest son how to make beer bread and we had a lobster-on-the grill-fest with a movie.  Yesterday was a gr…[Read more]