Hi Gene,5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.That is a good point to bring up to JA and David, who think Jesus is just an angel.  I don't.  I think he is God's only begotten Son through whom the angels were created…….just as the scriptures tell us.Gene:Quote “But we see Jesus, who was (…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2010,02:23)Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,in the above verse John shows that it is trough Christ that all thing are still done;God to Christ to angel to john.still as it was in the…[Read more]

JA:Quote So, you think the Angels did nothing while Jesus did all the work by himself….oh, no, you didn't say that, did you…you said, 'Scriptures doesn't say'….hmm, a climb down, seems like to me.. A clear attempt to dismiss that which MUST have occured because it would lead to you having to answer more 'revealing' questions.Do you hear…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 07 2010,16:17)did ya both forget that John worshipped in angel, isnt it typical of man to worship anything in their stupidity that shows wonders.Hi SF,Hope things are better with you.  You are right that “stupid” mankind seems to have a tendency to worship other things than God.  It must be a quality we inherited f…[Read more]

JA:Quote So you are saying that Jesus created: Satan as a Principlality, Satan as a Power, The Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece as Rulers… and, Satan and the host of Angels as …the Host of heaven.Atta boy JA.  Now we are getting somewhere finally!  First, like I've REPEATEDLY said, I don't claim that JESUS MADE ANYTHING AT ALL.  I cl…[Read more]

Hi JA,You had said:Quote  You posted a 'Mikeboll64' style, 'point by point' post which, history in this forum, has shown to fall into chaos, more often never getting past point 1,To which I replied:Quote I couldn't agree more.  I hate the long drawn out posts, but you were chirping to Shimmer about your points going unanswered, so I hit them a…[Read more]

I said I would ignore this long post, but since you took the time, I'll hit a few points. JA:Quote There were no others of Mankind who were sinless. Thus, Jesus was the ONLY SON of God .It is not scripture, but your own mind that tells you only sinless ones are “sons of God”.  Do you not find it odd that Jesus was referred to as THE Son of God,…[Read more]

Well, I'm caught up with your posts Keith. And I didn't see anything that answers this one:And we have both showed you that the soldiers were mocking the obeisance done to a king, not the Worship given to God. And the fact that Matthew uses a different word for the soldiers mockingly bowing down before Jesus should go even farther to prove that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,08:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,16:54)Keith:Quote BTW Mike, when Isaiah calls Jesus the “Mighty God” does this mean he is saying 'he is the mighty mighty one”? That's EXACTLY what God meant by that Keith.  As opposed to Himself, who is the ONLY “MIGHTIEST, or ALMIGHTY mighty one”.Why don't we take…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,08:05)MikeAh because of “Common Sense” we are supposed to change the meaning of the text and develop our own translation which is totally against every major translation and every credible Greek Scholar who are the experts in Biblical Hebrew and Greek?No thanks mike. I would rather believe the written…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,06:41)Mike is this what it comes down to, you calling me dishonest because I disagree with your interpretation and the use of the word worship in the NT? The accurrances you mention have been debunked. I am simply showing you the use of the term in the NT under the New Covenant that is all. How about the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,06:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 05 2010,12:22) In all the scriptures that speak of Jesus being worshipped (proskyneō) why didn’t Jesus once say do not worship me? Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,14:25)If Jesus, who clearly said we are to worship ONLY Jehovah our God, was ever being “worshipped” in s…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,06:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 05 2010,12:22) Why did John and Jesus choose the word if he wanted to portray the “True worship” to the Father could mean anything less?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,14:25)They DIDN'T want it to mean anything less in this scripture Keith.Then why do you assume that they…[Read more]

Quote Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 05 2010,12:22)Where is the example of this word in the NT of a bowing down out of respect by any Apostle or Believer to any other than the Father and Jesus where it was not forbidden by the recipient?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,14:11)Stick with your original claim and be man enough to either defend your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,06:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,14:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,04:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,13:30)John 1:1 speaks of “a mighty one” who was WITH “THE Almighty One” in the beginning.  Neither John 1:1, nor any other scripture in existence speaks of TWO Gods.MikeSo you not only…[Read more]

No, that's okay.  I only answered all your points because you implied that I couldn't in your post to Shimmer.  Don't bother making a big speech that encompasses all those points, for I will ONLY deal with this “principality” one for now…….until we have finished it.  Then, and ONLY THEN, will I address each and every one of your other mi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,04:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,13:30)John 1:1 speaks of “a mighty one” who was WITH “THE Almighty One” in the beginning.  Neither John 1:1, nor any other scripture in existence speaks of TWO Gods.MikeSo you not only have abandoned every known translation on Biblegateway.com and Blueletterbible.org…[Read more]

Keith:Quote Why did John and Jesus choose the word if he wanted to portray the “True worship” to the Father could mean anything less?They DIDN'T want it to mean anything less in this scripture Keith.  That doesn't mean that the same word cannot ALSO be used in another context to mean something less than “God-Worship” as is proven throughout the…[Read more]

Keith:Quote OK MikeSince you and David insist that the word “proskyneō” does not mean “worship” but simply a “bowing down” out of respect for a king, and that here they are simply mocking the “bowing down” (“proskyneō”) of a king, then you should be able to give me one example of what they are mocking in the NT examples with the use of the word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 05 2010,15:56)Mike,You seem to ignore the fact that Jesus is not only the High Priest, and the Mediator but is the God with God from John 1:1, in fact you ignore it, Irene ignores it, and Marty ignores it.Hi Kathi,John 1:1 speaks of “a mighty one” who was WITH “THE Almighty One” in the beginning.  Neither John 1:1, nor any…[Read more]