Come on Shimmer.  I'm sure whatever Kathi said to you, it couldn't possibly be any worse than what I put up with from your friend JA day after day.  It's not about Kathi or JA.  It's not even about you and I.  It's only about what the scriptures teach us.  Speak scripturally, and then whoever insults you or ridicules or starts verbal fist…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Why can't you help with Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6 and John 1:3 without bringing the “Jesus is God” thing into play? You can start with your “image of God” scriptures.  No angel was ever said to be the “exact representation” of God Himself, were they?So many angles to attack from, so little me.  I'm asking for your help and not your hinderance. B…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,How did you move so fast from this:Quote Hi Mike,Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section. To this:Quote I desire now to discuss with those who agree on the worship of Jesus as the Son, not as the Father but as the Son and see Him as begotten from eternal essence and not…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 14 2010,12:00)Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,15:27)I would like to examine some other creeds also.Yeah, bring up the original Nicene Creed, complete with the anathema. I have something to say about that one. mike

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 15 2010,11:08)I was just reading this. I get rather upset when someone says that Georg is uneducated. Well ,let me tell you. I think in spite of all He has more understanding then some on here. He has taught Himself. It is never right to say something personal….Hi Irene,Yeah, Martian and KJ were pretty nasty in their…[Read more]

Yes Shimmer,You can ALWAYS have your say when discussing with me.  But please, let's just take this step by step.  Don't pull a “world according to WJ/JA” stunt.  Those get real old real fast.  Let's start at the beginning.Psalm 2:7 NASB “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.<…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 15 2010,11:29)Yes, Mikeboll, Jesus was Not an Angel when God said, 'You are my son.Hi JA,I'll take your post to the “When was Jesus begotten” thread.  Shimmer and I have just started this discussion again, and I urge you and Kathi and Pierre and Irene and all to join us there.”It will be for YOUR betterment”! I really,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2010,11:40)So, the Son being the Almighty God as the 'image' and not the 'origina'l has everything to do with the Son always being superior to the angels.Hi Kathi,I'm not sure what you wrote is even English!  I didn't mean to come down hard on you.  I'm just saying that t8 did a smart thing by separating the believers s…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,This whole thread I started to diffuse JA's misconceptions all boils down to whether or not the angels were created through Jesus or not. JA says “no” and the rest of the world (except the non-preexiststers) says “yes”.I know you say “yes”. JA's other point is that Jesus wasn't “the only begotten Son of God” until he was “appointed”…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 15 2010,08:05)Mike, you are so twisted with deceit you can't even acknowledge truth anymore.JA, Listen to yourself.  You can't even answer the most simple question that is based EXCLUSIVELY on what the scriptures say.  You have been solidly beat down by scripture.  I expected an apology!  Instead I get called “de…[Read more]

To All,I have made a “Do spirits have bodies?” thread for that topic. And I have bumped the “When was Jesus Begotten” thread for that topic.So that should leave only the question of whether Jesus was always superior or not for this thread, right?mike

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 15 2010,06:44)JA, I really get that. That was a good post. It makes perfect sense.Yeah, I really liked the part where he claims that no spirit is ever said to procreate. Yet “procreate” simply means “to beget”, and we know God is Spirit, and we know God beget a Son. Yep, good scriptural stuff JA. mike

Right or wrong, it still is a dead give away when someone refuses to answer the most simple questions that are asked of them.mike

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,05:45)geneyou doing good you only have to go another 37 verses ,so please so continuePierre

JA: So, Mike, are you now saying that Jesus only created 'Some' of the Angels because some Angels are not rulers and some rulers are not Angels?Not at all JA.What I'm saying is that ALL invisible things in heaven are said to have been created THROUGH God's “firstborn of all creation”.  But also, ALL visible things on earth.  So that would i…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 15 2010,06:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,06:53)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2010,15:02)Mal 2:7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction—because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty.Hey Pierre,I guess that Levi was “an angel” too then.  He was a “mes…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 15 2010,06:00)It depends what you know. I wont get into it on here… but I believe Jesus has wings. I take this verse here as it says.Hi Shimmer,Matthew 23:37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks u…[Read more]

Shimmer:Quote “Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God; he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love. In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son — the only begotten — hath God sent to the world, that we may live…[Read more]