Ed J, were you asking about the speed of the sun in Australia before?   What was your question?

Anybody who is seriously interested in whether we live in the world God described in the Bible or the one godless men described as beginning with an explosion of nothing should watch the video above from the 2:10 mark to the 4:10 mark.  It only takes two minutes to see verifiable observational scientific evidence that we don’t live on a ball.

Carmel: NOT A SERVANT ANYMORE BUT
 GOD the son,
Galatians 4:7 Therefore, now he is not a servant, but a son. 

You are very confused, Carmel…

1.  Not “God the son”, but “the son OF God”.  Big difference.
2.  Galatians 4:7 isn’t about Jesus.  Paul is talking about believers undertaking a new and better relationship with God.  It was about us bein…

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Carmel: 24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God

. “Sovereign Lord,” they said,
Isn’t that enough Mike?

what else do you require from Acts 4:24 to justify

YOUR POINT?

Why is this like pulling teeth, Carmel?  I ask who they were praying to, and you say, “the Lord”.  I ask you to IDENTIFY the Lord to whom they…[Read more]

Jodi: His God and my God, his Father and my Father’s name is YHWH.

This is simple and clear.

It doesn’t get much simpler or clearer than that. 👍

LU:  The Father and the Son do nothing apart from each other.

Wow, Kathi.  When I heard Carmel argue that point, I just figured he was very confused – because he also argues that God is our servant.  (I think he confuses “servant” with “benefactor”.)  But now YOU are also claiming that the Most High God would have no power to do anything if not…[Read more]

To Jodi, Gene and anyone who thinks Jesus began his existence as a human being…

John 17:5    How could Jesus ask God to glorify him with the glory he had with/from/of/alongside God before the world began?

To Kathi, Berean, Carmel and anyone who thinks Jesus is the Most High God who created the heaven and the earth…

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Mike:  Okay, but I want to know if the original One consisted of two individual entities.  You used the word “their”, which made me think you believe there were two sentient minds in the original One.  Is that what you think?  Or was the original One a single entity/mind?

LU:  Oh who can fathom…from the One mind came both. Jesus is the wisdom of…

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D4T: I’m subscribed to you and TaS so I can keep up with your experiments. I was blown away by your camera setup on the last live video! You’ve got the system down! I wish I could have had a better look at Venus but it ended before it got dark enough.

Blessings to you and yours!

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Carmel: GOD THE FATHER ON HIS OWN MIKE IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS

No.

Carmel: Mike they prayed to THE LORD…

Which Lord?  There are tons of them.  Were they praying to Jesus?  He’s a Lord.  Beelzebub?  He’s also a Lord.  Jehovah?  He’s a Lord too.  Which one were they praying to in Acts 4?  What’s his name?

LU:  The original one had within itself the potential to become both a father and a son, their substance was within the original one before it went through the begetting process.

Okay, but I want to know if the original One consisted of two individual entities.  You used the word “their”, which made me think you believe there were two sentient mi…[Read more]

Carmel: JESUS DOES ALL FOR US

THUS IT’S NOT TO WHOM WE PRAY WHICH COUNTS BUT THE ACTUAL PROCESS 

Yes, our and Jesus’ God has certainly given his servant Jesus a ton of power and authority.  But my question still awaits an answer…

Who did the apostles pray to in Acts 4?

LU: Mike, the relationship has origins, not their existence.

Okay, let’s go even slower then…  There couldn’t be a “their” in the original cell unless there were already two individual sentient persons.  So is that your claim?

Mike: Carmel, WHO were they praying to?

 

Carmel: IT IS IRRELEVANT WHOM WERE THEY PRAYING TO

What?!?  It’s irrelevant who Jesus’ apostles prayed to?  Please answer the question – no matter how “irrelevant” you believe it to be.  Thanks.

Mike: In verses 27 and 30, they identify Jesus – not as the one to whom they prayed or the one who created everything – but instead as the holy servant OF the one to whom they prayed… the holy servant OF the one who created everything.

How do you reconcile this with your doctrine?  Same question for Kathi and Berean.

 

Carmel: Hi Mike,

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Mike:  It is Jehovah who is saying all of these words.  Is it your contention that Jehovah had his origins in the ancient past?

LU:  The One who became a giver and a receiver of the eternal substance, was eternal in the past and then at the onset of the process of begetting, the origin of a relationship of father and son began.

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LU: The Father’s origin began at the same moment the Son’s origin began. Their substance eternally existed before the One became a father and a son.

Micah 5:2 is a continuation of a speech from Jehovah that begins in 4:6.  So basically…

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah”, declares Jehovah, “though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you…

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LU:  Micah 5:2 does nothing to challenge the origin in regards to relationship of father/son from eternity but enforces it.

But you say Jesus didn’t have an origin, don’t you?  Micah 5:2 says he did.  Please reconcile.

Jodi, my previous post is a good one for you too.  Who is this person that God says WILL (future tense) come for Him?  And when DID (past tense) this person originate (come into existence)?

LU:  …build your case as to your claim that the Son didn’t actually go through an asexual begetting process but rather a creation process…

How many times would you like me to do it? 😉  Okay, here we go again…

Micah 5:2

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be…

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