LU: I’m not saying that currently the Father and the Son share one single mind. Like the cell theory, both cells are full and complete and while distinct with their own minds, they each have a different perspective as they know all things.

You’re describing an original ONE mind that became TWO completely different minds.  As if an even greater mi…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

Do you realize that you can do nothing apart from the Son? You can’t even exist apart from the Son, not even for a second.

That’s the same as saying I can currently do nothing apart from Satan.  Since Satan (and Jesus) exist, I can’t possibly do a single thing without them – since they are part of my existence.  But God could take the…[Read more]

LU:  i do not agree that the Son had nothing to do with some of the things the Father did while Jesus was on earth. If the Father didn’t do something through the active participation of the Son, it was done for the Son’s benefit in some way.  The angel sent to Mary was because of the Son, btw. The angel sent to Zachariah was because of His Son,…

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Ed:  Pointing to NASA being fake does nothing solve this dilemma in the flat earth model. I know NASA’s fake.

Eddy… But WHY would they fake it?  That’s the next logical question, right?  Would you agree that if they could actually travel all over in space and go to the moon for real, they’d show REAL footage of this stuff?  So what does the f…[Read more]

D4T:  Mike, that was a fantastic video! I wonder who will come out in support of their lies? As if….

Yes it was!  The premise is very simple… If there really is an ISS in outer space, then there would be no reason to fake ANY of it.  Yet there is ISS footage showing a scuba diver, reflections in visors that show cameramen dressed in street clot…[Read more]

The shadows match…

LU:  The Son has all the ability to do such and such, just as the Father does, but if his Father does not give the “go ahead” to do the such and such, the Son does not have the authority to do it although very capable to do it if he did have the authority given to him.

We agree that Jesus can do nothing that God didn’t authorize him to do.  But J…[Read more]

Hey Ed, send me a pm when you start your thread and I’ll check it out.  I probably won’t get to your other two posts until next weekend.  Cheers.

My friend Ben (Taboo Conspiracy) has goes through 5 instances where “authorities” have faked observations in order to support their ball earth belief system.  One does not fake an observation without a reason.  Occam’s Razor tells us that the most obvious reason to fake an observation is that the observation without the fakery contradicts the t…[Read more]

LU: Jodi would not have the opportunity to ask God for glory of any kind before the world was because she wouldn’t have even existed with or without glory apart from the Son’s existence. If not for the Son none of us would be here longing for glory of any kind.

True.  And even with the Son’s existence and sacrifice, nobody in their right mind woul…[Read more]

Sorry for the long post in advance…

Jodi:  You say, “asking for the RETURN of glory” I don’t see that in the text that it is a return to glory.

I knew it as I was typing that word! 😁  I knew from past discussions on this verse that you would jump on the word “return” – but I left it in anyway.  Great, now we have a diversion that I have to overc…[Read more]

LU: The one mind is expressed from two different perspectives as it indwells two different persons as a result of going through the process of asexual reproduction.

What the heck does that even mean? 🤔  Are you saying that the Father and Son CURRENTLY share one single mind, and that this one mind contains a Son perspective and a Father…[Read more]

LU: The Father and the Son have power to do anything they want and are never without the other.

The difference being that the Son’s power was given to him by the Father, right?  So while the Father has the power to do anything He wants, Jesus has the exact amount of power and authority that his and our God, Jehovah, has given him… which is the…[Read more]

Jodi: Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Jesus didn’t say “I” or “we” created them, he spoke of his God and our God creating them male and female.

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Gene:  …you have made him a little lower the the Angels, you have ( past tense) crowned (past tense)  him with GLORY and HONOR,  and have put “ALL”  things under his feet.

David was speaking about things that had already happened, therefore the past tense.  David also went on to list some of the “all things” that God had already (past tense) p…[Read more]

Jodi: Mike, I understand God’s prophecies to be of His purpose declared from the beginning, so that makes the prophecy of Psalms 8 God’s word from the beginning, and in that word you have a MAN who God gives glory and honor to. The Man Jesus knew this glory that was from the beginning that was of God for the Son of Man. In John 17 the Son of Man…

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Mike:  I’m still wanting to know about the prayer in Acts 4…

LU:  I answered that soon after you asked. Go look for it, I’ll wait.

But you didn’t actually answer it.  You veered back off into this cell splitting thing, and so I realized that I’d have to totally dismantle that scenario in order to get back to discussing what the SCRIPTURES actually…[Read more]

Mike:  Okay, but I want to know if the original One consisted of two individual entities.  You used the word “their”, which made me think you believe there were two sentient minds in the original One.  Is that what you think?  Or was the original One a single entity/mind?

LU:  Oh who can fathom…from the One mind came both. Jesus is the wisdom o…

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LU:  The Father and the Son do nothing apart from each other.

Mike:  But now YOU are also claiming that the Most High God would have no power to do anything if not for His Son?  Are you serious?

LU:  Nope, not what I said.

Phew! That’s good to know.  So then you agree that the Father has power to do anything He wants, with or without the Son.…[Read more]

Carmel: Yes Mike, Jesus is THE ACTUAL LITERAL WORD SPOKEN OF GOD

No he’s not.  But if he was, then your doctrine is in trouble.  How can a single word someone spoke be greater than the one who spoke that word?  How does the speaker become the servant of a word that he spoke?  And what of all the other words that speaker spoke in his life…[Read more]