mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: The Son made it possible for YHVH to have the authority as the Creator, the Father, the Redeemer, the Savior, and the Shepherd, etc. Apart from the Son, YHVH would not be in authority as the Creator, Father, Redeemer, Savior, and Shepherd, etc.
These claims are so very weak that they don’t even deserve a response. As if my son somehow GAVE m…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic What does Hebrews 11:3 teach us? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Ed: thinks Jesus is ‘a god’ – and of course we both know that is totally absurd.
Where did you get your erroneous idea that Jesus being a god is absurd? The same place you got the idea that the Holy Spirit of God became a flesh human being who later insisted he was NOT a spirit because spirits don’t have flesh and bone? 😉
mikeboll64 replied to the topic What does Hebrews 11:3 teach us? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Ed: Hi Mike,
Jesus appeared in physicality, therefore according to Hebrews 11:3 Jesus cannot be “The Word”.
Will you please comment on the highlighted part of this verse that proves Jesus cannot be “The Word”.Thanks!
I already have… twice now. But here it is again: The phrase “the word of God” has multiple meanings. Sometimes it refers t…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: Mike,
You asked:
When has Jesus GIVEN power, authority, position or revelation TO his and our God?
My answer:
When he (the Son) was begotten before the ages he gave the YHVH who beget him, the honor of the position of being a father.
When the Son made all things in heaven and on earth, he gave the YHVH who beget him, the honor of the…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: Mike,
Do you believe that YHVH and his “ARM” aka “YHVH our Righteousness” are in disunity? Yes or no?
Do YOU believe YHVH’s arm has a mind and a will of its own? 😉 Surely you refer to John 12:38. The Trinitarians who produced the NET Bible say this…
“The arm of the Lord” is an idiom for “God’s great power” (as exemplified through J…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: If your response there said this:
Okay, so your understanding is that the apostles prayed to YHVH, the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but then identified a member of that unity, who is the Son, as the “holy servant Jesus” which he is often called in his role as the Messiah, btw, and elsewhere as “YHVH our Righte…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Mike: Jesus asks to be RETURNED to the glory that he had been previously GIVEN (past tense)…
Carmel: NO MIKE, JESUS SIMPLY ASKED THE FATHER TO HAVE THAT SAME GLORY WHICH HE HAD IN HEAVEN, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, BUT THIS TIME ALSO ON EARTH…
Of course Jesus is asking to be returned to that glory IN HEAVEN… not that his heavenly glory be g…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Gene: Mike……Sorry it was Cyrus, not Darius that God prophesied about before he was even born, about 200 hundred years before. Isa 45:1-4
But no one applies a preexistence life to him, why?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
That’s a fair point, Gene… the best I’ve seen you make on this topic. And I would agree that there is nothing i…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Gene: Mike…..There is not one scripture that says Jesus “prexisted” his actual existence on this earth…
You’re right Gene. There is not ONE scripture that says it… there are DOZENS of them. 😉 Peace and love…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Carmel: Jodi, first of all, IGNOR COMPLETELY YOUR HUMAN MENTALITY…
With what, then, will we understand scripture? I understand that spirit can reveal heavenly things to us. But we still decipher and make sense of those things with our God-given human mentality. We have nothing else by which to make sense of them.
Carmel, people have bee…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Jodi: Can someone explain,
Jesus is said to be God’s son because he pre-existed as such.
Jesus is likewise said to be God’s son because he was born with Mary as his mother and God as his Father. So where does the pre-existing son come into this equation?
Thanks, Jodi
It’s not two different “God’s Sons”, Jodi. Jesus was the firstborn Son of…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: The Father’s revelation to mankind is dependent on the will of the Son. Therefore, the Father depends on the will of the Son in that case. Clearly the Father needs Jesus in order to be revealed.
Both of your examples are so far from what we’re actually talking about that they hardly deserve a response from me. Your examples include God GIV…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Jodi: I would like to know what is the glory that you believe Jesus had, that you believe he received back?
Jesus had great glory on earth as God’s only begotten Son who was sent into the world. But that glory was nothing compared to the glory he emptied himself of (Phil 2 – which we’ll hopefully discuss later). The difference in the two am…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
LU: Jesus’ apostles prayed to Jehovah which is the unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit whom they called LORD, who created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them.
Jesus was the member of the Jehovah unity that was sent to be the Messiah that the apostles regarded as “Your holy servant Jesus” in Acts 4.
Can we move on now?…mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Carmel: 27For of a truth there assembled together in this city against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, 28To do what thy hand and thy counsel decreed to be done. 29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants that with all confidence the…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Jodi: The Son of Man exalted to God’s right hand Jesus the son of David, was a firstborn HEIR to this PROMISE.
Okay, so you have no rational answer for why Jesus would be asking his and our God for a glory that he HAD alongside/with/from God before the world began. You only have the irrational argument that people can ask for things they say the…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Carmel: Notice what Jesus said;
“I and the Father are one.”
Does that sound familiar? Jesus is not simply stating that He and the Father are of the same essence, although that is true. Jesus is not simply stating that He is God, although that is true.The reason the Jews wanted to stone Him on the spot and the reason why the Jews were so offend…
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Carmel: ACCORDING TO YOU THE ONE WHO GIVES IS GREATER!
John 16:15 All things
whatsoever the Father hath are mine. Therefore I said that
he shall RECEIVE of me……
WHO GAVE MIKE?JESUS!
WHO RECEIVED ALL THINGS MIKE?THE FATHER!
WHO IS GREATER MIKE?JESUS!
Wait a minute… you think that in John 16, Jesus is talking about the Father asking him f…[Read more]
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Carmel: JESUS IS THE ACTUAL HEART OF GOD!
Scripture, please? (Because in Matthew 15, it is clear that Jesus speaks of mankind, using the Greek word “anthrópos” multiple times in that teaching.)
mikeboll64 replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 9 months ago
Mike: What does the word “OF” mean to you? For example, Solomon was the son OF David, right? Was Solomon “David the Son“?
Carmel: Herod is the son of Herod the great
Herod the Son.
Do you know why? Simple; AS THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME NAME, LIKEWISEJESUS IS ALSO GOD
Ah, I should have used the title to better make my point – since “God”…[Read more]
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