Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 27 2011,06:38)It didn't take you long as it did not take me long to figure out that Mike is not interested in truth at all. HE JUST WWANTS TO ARGUE AND HE JUST WANTS THE LAST WORD! Look how many debates he gets involved in. He just wants to argue!Hi Jack,But I DO want truth.  You and I have together discovered the…[Read more]

By the way Keith,Could you explain your answer of “YES” to me?  If we are to be ONE with God in a certain way that DOESN'T mean we ARE God, then what SCRIPTURAL PROOF do you have that the way Jesus is ONE with God is different than the way some of us will be ONE with Him?  I'm not really interested in COMPARISONS of Jesus to God, because those o…[Read more]

Pick the ONE you want me to answer first.mike

Hi Tim,I believe ALL the words of scripture. Even the ones where God has destroyed. It seems you are making up your own religion as you go along. And if that's the case, why bring Jesus into it at all? The God of the OT, who sometimes destroyed, is the One who spoke through His prophets about Jesus. And Jesus acknowledged that those…[Read more]

Francis said:Quote You asked:“So, what else ya got?”Apparantly it doesn't matter what I've got because you don't care about evidence or even scholarly research/support/opinions/conclusions because you're going to just believe whatever you want no matter what.Whoa!  Are you angry, Francis?    Not that I'm happy to hear it, but let's just say I ex…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2011,07:11)Who does the scriptures say our only master and Lord is?It is A  “ONE WORD” ANSWER so ONLY “ONE WORD” is needed to answer the quesiton.Deut 6:4 – 1 Cor 8:6 – Jude 1:4, 5Hi Keith,I don't get your point. Deut 6:4“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”Jude 1:4For certain men have crept in un…[Read more]

Hi Thankful,How do you know the wise men worshipped him?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2011,02:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,18:13)Or maybe you could show me any occasion in the history of mankind where a representation OF something or someone actually WAS that something or someone?Hi MikeOnce again, that is the problem isn't it Mike. You don't have any example where someone can be the “exact…[Read more]

Quote (thankful @ Jan. 26 2011,13:54)to say that Yahshua is less, is to go against his father dont you think ?Hi Thankful,Well, you tell me.  Did God say to worship only Him…………AND MY SON?  Did Jesus tell us this?  If scripture CLEARLY tells us to worship only One, yet you take it upon yourself to worship two, then are you obeying God's co…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Do you think the slaves mentioned in the scriptures who feared YHVH and SERVED their earthly masters with the utmost devotion were breaking this commandment that God gave? YES or NO?Or do you think maybe it could refer only to the servitude one performs toward their “God”? Like maybe it's saying to afford that Godly servitude to no one…[Read more]

Hi Francis,You want to know if I will acknowledge that “elohim” can MEAN “God”.  I have stated for the record that I do NOT believe “God” to be a NAME of our Creator, but a TITLE.  And I do not believe the English word “God”, as we understand it, to be a bonafide DEFINITION of the word “elohim”.But I have also clearly said that I cannot find any s…[Read more]

Jack,One question: YES or NO.Does the creation of God RADIATE the glory of God?mike

Jack and Keith,Please show me any instance in the history of the world where someone or something that was said to be a REPRESENTATION of someone or something was actually that first thing they were the REPRESENTATION of.If you or Jack or SF can do this, I will listen to your further OPINIONS on this matter. If you cannot, then MY understanding,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 25 2011,06:04)Thankful,Revelation 5 says that ALL creation worships Him who sits upon the throne AND the Lamb.No…………it doesn't.  Nor does ANY scripture ANYWHERE indicate that Jesus is worshipped or should be worshipped by anyone.Jack, our Lord clearly said, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘W…[Read more]

To Keith, Jack, Dennison, Mark, and any other “Jesus is God” believer out there:Who SPECIFICALLY do Jesus (John 17:3) and Paul (1 Cor 8:6) say our “ONLY TRUE GOD” is?Hint:  It is a TWO WORD ANSWER, so ONLY TWO WORDS are needed to answer this question.peace and love,mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 25 2011,06:13)Hebrews 1 says that Christ is the RADIANCE of the Father's glory. So He would be substantively the same though distinct.Hi Jack,I've already answered you about this, but you didn't respond.Hebrews 1 says “GOD”, not “THE FATHER”.  I told you that if it said Jesus was the exact representation of “THE…[Read more]

Jack,You have quickly replaced JA/Istari's role here.  You are now the one who feels the need to go thread to thread insulting me even if I haven't posted on that thread.  To both you and Keith I say, ANSWER THE QUESTION and that will be the end of it.  But just for an example, even though this is off topic, let me ask you both a simple st…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,09:03)Georg……….Right as preexistences and trinitarians do. But they had help over the years because those who translated them were themselves Gnostic preexistences and trinitarians so they naturally translated those scriptures their way, to meet their false dogmas even if they had to tweak them a little…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,02:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,13:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:17)but all i have ever read and studied show ELOHIM as a PLURAL EXPRESSION OF A SINGULAR  GOD.Like I said, go read the debate………at least MY posts.  Did you know Nebuchadnezzar was called the “KINGS of kings”?  The first pl…[Read more]

Hi Francis,After wading through about a million words explaining to me how DIRECT you are, your answer to my ONE SINGLE (NOT TWO) QUESTION is, in essence:Yes Mike, there ARE those in scripture referred to as “elohim” who are neither God Almighty nor a “false god”.  Thank you for your DIRECT answer.    Now you know why I ask and ask.  It's bec…[Read more]