Berean: Jodi,

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Another hard to deny scriptural proof.  Of course the proper English translation is, “before Abraham was, I was”, or “before Abraham existed, I existed”.  The “I am” translation comes from English translators not properly rendering the Greek statement to…[Read more]

Ed: Hi Mike,

Are you going to ask another question or give a speech?

What?  I’m waiting for you to show me where John switched subjects between verse 14 and verse 18.  I laid it out for you sentence by sentence.  When did John stop talking about “the Word” and begin talking about a different subject?

Ed:  “The Lord gave “The Word”: great was…

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Proclaimer:  I realise you will not an answer this directly because both of you are not honest people. Can you see the deceit in your heart now? You know your true answer means you lose the debate, so you prefer to ignore the question. Shame on you guys. God can see the deceit. He is not blind.

This is unacceptable rhetoric for any civilized…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike…..subject matter did change   it started out speaking about God ‘s word, comming to fulfillment,  the it goes from God to the “man” Jesus’ that is what you people are failing to see.

I fail to see it because it’s simply not there, Gene.  Starting in 1:14, the subject about whom John is writing is “the Word”.  He does not change the…[Read more]

Ed: Hi Mike,

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that
spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” (1 Cor 10:4)

“The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
This is the LORD’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.” (Psalms 118:22-23)

Well would you look at that, Jodi a…[Read more]

Ed:  Do you agree that since John 6:63 says words are spirit, therefore “The Word” is Spirit?

“Yes” or “No” ?

Absolutely not.  And an assumption that the word “word” (logos or rhema) always refers to the same thing in scripture is irrational, and easily refuted by the scriptures themselves.

Mike:  Do you agree that John the Baptizer made a statement about THE WORD in John 1:15…?

Ed:  No

Cool.  So let’s examine the issue and see who’s right, okay?

The Word became flesh…

Who or what became flesh?  “The Word”, right?  Okay…

…and made his dwelling among us.

Who or what made his dwelling among us?  Still “the Word”, right…[Read more]

Jodi and Gene,

Matthew 3:9

And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Do you guys believe this statement?  I’ll assume that you realize nothing is impossible for God, and that He could indeed raise up a son for Abraham out of a stone if…[Read more]

Ed…

But let’s start with my last post to Jodi.  Do you agree that John the Baptizer made a statement about THE WORD in John 1:15, and then made the same statement about JESUS, THE LAMB OF GOD in 1:30?

Ed: Hi Mike,
This verse is about John and other apostles talking part in writing “The Bible”.
…it does not mean that thay were touching Jesus flesh.
You get so far off tract when you don’t understand…
“The Word” of God is God’s “HolySpirit”, not Jesus:
Hmm… so many places we could start.  We could go through 1 John 1 verse by verse and see if…[Read more]

Jodi: 1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was WITH the Father and has appeared to…

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Berean:Mike

There are two significant verses in Hebrews 1

1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father.

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Jodi:  I don’t see at all the LIGHT that Jesus is declared to be, is shown to pre-exist. 

Do you see from John 1 that the LIGHT came into a world that was created through him, but his own did not receive him?

Hi Berean,

No, we’re not enemies at all.  Hey, have you pondered Proclaimer’s philosophical question he’s posted a couple of times? (It’s like 6 posts above this one.)

If Jesus and the Father are both eternal, then at one point they (he?) produced the very first CREATED person, right?  Who was that first-created person?  Why would God have to…[Read more]

Jodi:  Jesus Christ came in the flesh, Jesus was anointed and sent exactly according to YHVH’s word, thus the word became flesh. 

Cyrus came in the flesh.  Cyrus was anointed and sent exactly according to YHVH’s word too. (Isaiah 1:1-7)  Did the word become flesh when Cyrus was born too?

Ed: Good job Mike,

Glad you are back!

 

Berean:  Mike

Good intervention

Thanks fellas!  (Well, I know Eddy is a fella.  I’m not sure about Berean. 😉)

Gene:  Mike….the light was the Spirit of God, it is what enlightens “every man”,  this light came to be fully placed on The “man” Jesus . 

But the light itself has a NAME according to John 1:12, right?

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God…

What is the name of this light, Gene?

Jodi: Berean,

For you to have any credibility in an accusation you need to quote something that I have said and show specifically how it is twisted against God’s word.

I accept all of your scriptures, Jodi.  They teach of how God’s ultimate christ (out of God’s many christs in the scriptures) will come from the seed of David.  That is true…[Read more]

Jodi:  Carmel, Carmel, Carmel, you hold one of the most non biblical, nonsensical doctrines I have ever seen.

Agreed.

The succinct version for Jodi and Gene…

1. The Light was with God in the beginning.
2. The world was created through The Light.
3. The Light came into the world that was created through him, but the world, as a whole, didn’t recognize or accept him.
4. But all of those out of the world who did accept The Light – those who believed in the name of…

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