Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 20 2011,22:24)Lol so now JEsus is lying?You tell me. Jesus is the one who told Nicodemus that no one has ever seen the Father. What do YOU make of that?mike

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 20 2011,20:37)Mike if you are reading this, tell me if that is not soHi Irene,Before you even wrote the above, I was already thinking, “AMEN” to what you said prior………Quote (Baker @ Mar. 20 2011,20:37)You know the notion is that the JW Witness believe in it, and therefore it is not true…… That to me is stupid and…[Read more]

Hi so-journ,Not only does that not answer my question, but spawns more.  First of all, I assume you know the one who was being worshipped in vain in your scripture is Jehovah, not His Son Jesus, right?Secondly, there are many spirits.  Even Satan can masquerade as an angel of light, so how much more so his disciples? Third, the scriptures are n…[Read more]

Hi so-journ,Perhaps you know of some of the words of Jesus we are to keep, that tell us to worship him as God Himself? mike

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 20 2011,16:36)He couldn't have been the logos of God because that was a new name in 69 a.d. according to John's Apokalypse.11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,You quoted this scripture:  John 14:23 (King James Version)23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.Wouldn't these be “words” of Jesus that we are told to “keep”:  “Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”You s…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Mar. 20 2011,17:48)Keith,The part in red bold is another symptom of a man who has been backed into the corner. Admitting that many translations of scripture are not “cut and dry” is only admitting truth, Jack. Take any single verse in the entire Bible and show me two translations that word them the same exact way in…[Read more]

Hi Jack,This is from the “God among gods” thread.  I posted this to Dennison earlier today:Quote So what we have here is ONE person who is so sure that the scriptures hold the truth, that he doesn't have to use diversions and distractions and dishonesty to “prove” his doctrine.  And we have THREE Trinitarians on the other thread who have been d…[Read more]

It's wonderful to see your words again, Kathi.  I've missed you, as you know.  I understand that you don't think “a” or “the” or even anthrous makes a difference in 1:1c because of 1:18 and its use of “ONLY”.  But consider that Satan is also called “THE (as in ONLY) god” in his own classification.  So Jesus being THE “only begotten god” places him…[Read more]

It's a pity your hero Francis got all scared and had to run away from our debate.  You would have learned so much by the end of it.  There is hope yet.  I've offered for WJ to take over for him, but he's scared too.  I won't waste my time with Jack, for he claims so many illogical things and then stands and defends them to the death, when even oth…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 20 2011,13:25)Actually I believe what Jesus said to philip, that when you see the Son you see the father Are you stating that Jesus doesnt make any sense???Are YOU stating that Jesus doesn't make any sense when he tells us that no one has seen the Father? (John 6:46)This is off topic.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 20 2011,12:09)I believe Murray makes a excellent point.  Its also grammtically possible to state that “God was the Word”Can you Accept that possibility mike?In conclusion, in light of what i researched it seems to be incorrect to Translate John1:1 as “a god” but IF one believes that its Grammatically possible they…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 20 2011,07:54)Hi Mike! Georg is doing great, at 73…He said thank you for asking…He has gone back to work to help our Daughter out. Next month She will be Graduating from College. Our Nurse. I am very proud of Her. Better later then never. Georg also don't like to debate much. He has studied the Bible like 4 hrs. in a…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 20 2011,12:15)Those are very Good points.Its easy to understand Trinity (though im not a trinitarian) or the belief that Jesus is God, or that He is just a Man. But the Alternative that Mike and Irene would have us believe makes no sense.Mike and Irene base their understanding on the scriptures themselves.  We don't…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 20 2011,02:38)Says who? I am consciously aware of the promises God made before the world began. Are you unconsciously aware that he promised eternal life?That doesn't answer my question.  Paladin, are you consciously aware of any glory YOU HAD in God's presence before the world existed?  If so, please tell us something a…[Read more]

BumpMurray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.C. H. Dodd says: “If a translation were a matter of substituting words, a possible translation of ; would be, “The Word was a god”. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 20 2011,03:43)There are only scriptures from Jesus that are all gospel/good news for the believer. All condemnation was to unbelievers.21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 09 2011,07:20)and that includes lofty,condesending responses to fellow members of athe forum… whose purpose is to enlighten and share…Greetings right back at you Theo,I have answered you accusation of "lofty", "condescending" and "authoritarian" in the "Bodies" thread. I have been awaiting your…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 20 2011,04:19)I stand corrected. I am sure you are very Christ-driven when you seek to antagonize.

Hi Mark,But you have read from NO scholar that teaches you the “a god” translation is impossible.  The Greek words and the Greek grammar allow for it, and EVERY scholar knows this.  I know it.  Every scholar who ever learned Koine Greek knows it.  In fact, it seems the 4 resident “Jesus is God” people on HN are the only ones in the world who DON…[Read more]