I was on it Kerwin! I just didn't get here in time.

Well, okay.    Deborah was begotten BY SOMEONE and she was an elohim.  But yes, Jesus is the only god begotten by THE God because Jesus is the only thing period begotten by God.Either way, it still makes him A god who was with THE God in the beginning.  Am I wrong?mike

Ah, but you DID “be untruthful on this issue”, didn't you?Because the words were there saying YES, and all I asked was if those very words said YES.Yet somehow, you managed to say NO.  You could have said, “YES Mike, but look at these quotes from people who disagree”, or something like that.  At least you would have answered my question HONESTLY i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2011,20:14)Mike,The word was an only begotten God who was with the unbegotten God in the beginning.  He was not just one of the many mighty ones.Actually, he was. He is ONE of the many elohim and theos mentioned in scripture. But he is designated as the only one who was directly begotten by THE God.Am I wrong?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,16:39)Yet Jesus said if you have seen me then you have seen God. Jesus said “the Father”, not “God”. Then he went on to explain that the Father was in him and that he spoke not on his own authrority, but the Father's. He later explains that he and the Father will dwell in us. Let's do a comparison:1.…[Read more]

Good try Jack,But you see, you've already conceded that YHWH means “I WILL BE”, not “I AM”. Remember? Is 43:10? mike

So was the Word “A god”, as in another mighty one who was with THE God in the beginning?  Another god, as in the only begotten god who was with the only unbegotten God?mike

Quote (pace e amore @ Mar. 22 2011,19:53)Aye??What does that mean, Pace?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2011,19:52)Mike,The 'God' of 1:1b is the unbegotten God  Right. And that God was WITH the Word, right? So the Word was obviously not that God, right?mike

Quote (dirtyknections @ Mar. 22 2011,18:30)Good. Now when did Eve die?In the very day she ate of the fruit. Remember that a day for God is like 1000 years for us. And no one was ever recorded as living over 1000 years in scripture – or anywhere else for that matter. (970 years is the most recorded in scripture, if memory serves.)mike

Good post, Wm! Very entertanining.

Hi Kathi,So is Jesus “THE God” of 1:1b?mike

Oh, and when will you comment in MY new poll?mike

Keith,Do you realize that not ONE of your scholars say it is GRAMMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?  Let me know when you find one that does, okay?  Until then, you are posting many OPINIONS and PREFERENCES of trinitarians.  And it is quite clear to all of us that no one who thinks Jesus is the God he is the Son of wants to see the “a god” translation.But we…[Read more]

D, I'm waiting for YOUR answer of “YES”. Keith and Kathi have answered the question truthfully, will you? (I'm not worried about Jack, for he is just here as a cheerleader for Keith, and very rarely has anything of value to offer to the discussion.)mike

First of all, I quoted the words of those scholars as they were written in the Wikipedia article I posted much stuff from.  I posted all that was there.Secondly, the sentences I quoted were complete enough to glean the answer from. Your quote seems to have your scholar explaining to someone how when he said it was POSSIBLE, there was nothing in…[Read more]

I brought this post over from the “God among gods” thread, so we can keep this discussion on the original thread.Quote Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,17:12)Since the answer wasn't what you wanted to hear you reworded it as your normal manner is too…Yes Keith,That's how I have to do things with people like you.  I've in fact re-worded it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 22 2011,07:45)No If this “NO” is in response to my question, then you're falling behind the rest.  Kathi has immediately answered truthfully.  Keith has FINALLY answered truthfully.  By holding out, you are doing two things:1.  Drawing even more attention to the fact that you are unable or unwilling to answer a simple que…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 22 2011,07:44)Massage your ego all you want. GRAMMITICLY POSSIBLE. Out of your own words, you say “a” was ADDED. It is therefor impossible to translate WITHOUT ADDING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE LANGUAGE IT IS TRANSLATED FROM. Like you say, quite simple.Yes Mark,And since it IS grammatically possible to add the “a”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 22 2011,17:12)Since the answer wasn't what you wanted to hear you reworded it as your normal manner is too…Yes Keith,That's how I have to do things with people like you.  I've in fact re-worded it five different times.  But the question you've finally answered TRUTHFULLY today is the one you've answered U…[Read more]