Hi Kathi,This post is only for clarification purposes.  It is quite long, and does not need to be addressed – unless you want to.  I will follow up this post with some shorter, to the point “question posts”.Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,23:17)Mike,I understand what you are saying but I think people look at the typical translation thinking that J…[Read more]

bump for the “Jesus is God” people.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,22:18)Saying that 'John was man' speaks more to his nature than 'John was a man' although both could mean the same thing. That is what I perceive anyway.But either way, adding the “a” wouldn't add “confusion, like you said, right? If so, how?

Gene,I'm just confirming that God HAS a soul. And if God HAS a soul, but NOT a body, then your understanding that the body is part OF a soul is wrong.mike

Quote I do think that taking out the definite article in 1b is not as clear as putting it in.  I don't know why it is left out of the translations…it is in the Greek.Okay, there's some headway.  And since “God” is generally used as another name for Jehovah, as in, “God is love”, let's change our Adam/Cain version of 1:1 just a little bit m…[Read more]

Agreed, Kerwin.We are in a discussion about John 1:1 in yet another thread that Jack has started.  And he has started 2 or 3 other ones dealing with the same issues since that time.  He starts a thread, usually containing a title with something derogatory about me, and I'm lead into it to defend myself.  I will try to ignore them in the future un…[Read more]

Hey Wispring,You don't have to urge Gene to change the words of scripture so they fit his understanding. He does that all the time.Besides, the first of David's scriptures you listed, 1 Samuel 2:35, clearly says heart OF ME and soul OF ME. (LXX)So it's definitely saying God HAS a soul, not that He IS one.mike

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 23 2011,09:41)I had asked WJ once if and they do believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, then He must be the Father of Jesus.Wonderful point, Irene!

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2011,21:31)My answer is yes to that, I believe it would add confusion.  The 'a' is unnecessary.Okay Kathi, consider this:1.  John was man.2.  John was a man.Both of these statements mean that John was A member of the species of mankind, right?  So how does adding the “a”, although unecessary, “add confusion”?Now let…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 23 2011,21:01)Hi WJ,Quote Look around Mike…Greek grammar doesn't include . WJ   What was the debate-based reason for this post? The reason I ask is that it has been shown in these threads that this is true and that the insertion of the 'a' in the translation process is up to the translators discernment. It seems to my…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 23 2011,03:24)1) God placed his word above his name for a reason.”…thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.”We've already discussed this Paladin.  There is nothing above the Name of YHWH.  Read the LXX translation of this Psalm and tell me what it says.  Because apparently you didn't believe me when I showed yo…[Read more]

Thanks.

Fair enough Wispring. You be “gentle Jesus”, and I'll be the Jesus that kicked some serious buyer and seller butt in God's temple.     To each his own.  Little kids immediately know that the Son OF God can't be the God he is the Son OF.  And it makes me very angry that these Trinitarians brainwash them into accepting something that goes aga…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,00:24)Maybe Francis Died? did you ever think of that? You never know….I DID think of that while I was making the comment.  I thought to myself, “I hope he's okay”.  But I don't think Francis ran away anyway.  I was saying that to goad you.He was sharp.  Maybe our little debate got him to check into his oth…[Read more]

Keith, Keith, Keith,You are so precious.  First, you ask a question yesterday.  I say, “Show me the source”.  Then you post the source only today, and before I've even logged on to HN, you're bullying me for an answer!    Give me a chance to read your first post before you go off on a tangent, okay?  As for your scholary quote, you have quote…[Read more]

Listen to yourself Jack. I have been slandered here by you at least 20 or 30 times. And each time we've looked in to your accusation of my deception, we always seem to inadvertently find where YOU were deceptive. Jack, I have never:1. Lied on HN2. Tried to be deceptive3. Failed to answer a direct question that was related to the topic at…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,00:14)According to the these two Scholars Grammatically its possible to Thank you. Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,00:14)we just dont trust you because your bound to use those loaded questions somehow to your advantage by misquoting our intent. Honesty is the best policy, D. Always let your “yes” mean…[Read more]

Gene,So what does God have with a spirit in it that constitutes a soul?mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 23 2011,15:55)Seriously though I am tired of discoursing with Mike and so I have chosen to root you on instead.Thank God! Remember what I told you in the pm, Jack. I like you around for the same reason I like Steve Martin's old comedy movies. You both crack me up! Your arguments in favor of a triune God are…[Read more]

Bye Keith.  I'm off the scholars now and on to the “reasons”. Let me know when you find a scholar who says it is grammatically impossible and lists the clear cut and accepted reason for this impossibility. Until then, drop the “scholar” subject, because I have proved my point.