Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,14:36)But instead he makes a distinction between them and it looks to me he is saying “you recieved me not only like an angel but “Even” as Jesus himself, meaning Jesus is greater than the Angel.Maybe you guys are seeing something I'm not. Could you point me to the “OR” or the “EVEN” that shows the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,14:44)MikeWhat do you mean by taking it literally? Don't you take the scriptures literally?Keith, if scripture says our only true God is THE FATHER, then why don't you take THAT literally?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,14:27)The answer is “YES”. Do you know why I know this? It is because there is not one single example of a follower of YHVH calling any being “their” God or god, is there?I'm gratified and satisfied that you are being reduced to such irrelevant “trinity defending” statements as this one above.  Are we to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,14:15)KathiI find it amazing that like Mike you also use “Trinitarian” quotes to prove the opposite of their conclusions.Not everything Satan says is a lie, is it Keith? Can we help it if the Trinitarians start off speaking scriptural truths that we can agree with, but then confusingly come to a bizarre…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,14:07)You interpret scripture based on your preconceived belief not that scriptures have taught you anything else otherwise.I never read a Bible until about three years ago.  I didn't go to a church or join HN until I was on my second time through the Bible.  In other words, I learned scriptural truth by m…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,13:36)I am not saying that Jesus is the one true God, I am saying that Jesus is the one true God from the one true God.  There is a difference.But you word it confusingly, just to keep people from thinking less of Jesus.  It is very confusing to say “Jesus is NOT the one true God, but he IS the one true G…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,13:36)The Point is that Jesus is not a Angelic Being.Well than again how do you define Angel.Hi D,I'm sorry you are unable to understand my analogies, which say the same basic thing Paul said. I can help you no more on this without taking you as a pupil and teaching you basic understanding skills. I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,12:22)Mike,you said:Quote He is instead, like the others, a vice regent and servant OF his God.  Scripture bears this out.This is what I am talking about when I speak of those who push doctrines placing the only begotten God in the same pot as the others.  The only begotten God is called an angel, He is called an a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,12:08)Normally the 'a' wouldn't change anything Mike, but in this case, it has opened the door for those who want to push a doctrine that the Only Begotten Son is not like His Father, yet, He is like His Father.  Maybe your concern about John 1:1 shouldn't be about the 'a' being added but the 'the' in 1:1b and that…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,This is a wonderful idea for a thread.  I love it! I am clueless as to why John would have had to baptize Jesus for him to receive the anointing of Holy Spirit.  God apparently anointed Moses with Holy Spirit without the use of baptism.Any thoughts as to why God couldn't just “slap” the anointing on Jesus without using John?  I'm su…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,10:50)Quote You guys always want to take this “one god” stuff so literallly, despite the many other gods mentioned in scripture.  Come on Mark, how can Jehovah be the “God OF gods” if there aren't any other gods for Him to be the God OF?Im stilll waiting to argue this…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,10:48)Galatians 4:14and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.Mike, Its obvious Paul seperated the two statements. He emphasizes how they treated him as if he was an Angel or…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,10:30)Its commonsense that one can respond by saying “Face it Mike the JW's probably did that in purpose to DECEIVE.”  What Makes you think that the JW's all of the sudden are not corrupted?Hi D,Apparently you and I have different levels of commonsense then. I've seen no claim that the JW's MISQUOTED Dr.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 27 2011,04:26)Furthermore, Hebrews 1 says that God never said to an angel, “You are My Son, today I Hve begotten You.” Therefore, Christ was/is not an angel.Hebrews 1 says nothing of the sort, Jack.It asks to which one of the angels did God say this…………Well, only one of them – Jesus.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2011,21:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,17:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:26)Am I scripturally wrong in saying that Jesus is the only begotten god and the Father is the only unbegotten God?MikeYep, because that would be “two true gods” with each other and we know there is “Only One True God” and none…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2011,18:13)If the verse said:In the beginning was the word and the word was with the man and the word was man.Would you admit that putting an 'a' before the last 'man' is unnecessary?Hi Kathi,Yes, it is unnecessary to add the “a” the way YOU worded it.  On the other hand, adding the “a” wouldn't change one single thing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 26 2011,16:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2011,09:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:26)Am I scripturally wrong in saying that Jesus is the only begotten god and the Father is the only unbegotten God?MikeYep, because that would be “two true gods” with each other and we know there is “Only One True God” and none…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,16:12)Yea and I have also shown you where a scholar has said it is not “grammatically permissible” to translate it with an and you are just closing your eyes to his testimony and won't answer questions about it though I answered yours.Good, I'm glad you brought this point to the right thread.  You have NOT…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,15:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2011,16:05)Second, your own argument works against you.  For it is the Trinitarian scholars I'm quoting who support MY claim that “a god” is grammatically possible.  What does that tell you?MikeOnly “one” uses the words “grammatically possible”, and most all of the scholars c…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 24 2011,10:15)Mike, You did not pay attention. The “a god” reading in the Coptics does not necessarily infer a lesser god because it may be about QUALITY rather than quantity.Hi Jack,I understand what you and the scholars are saying.  I only ask that you understand this:Professor Bentley translated the Coptic…[Read more]