Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,15:00)Sure, and what do we find in those verses are the Father and Jesus are the One God and One Lord both sharing divine attributes.Really?  Show me ALL of those scriptures that teach us that Jesus and the Father are the One God.  One at a time please.In fact, I'll start a debate thread where you can “…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,16:51)“There is “Only One True God”, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”.  Matt 28:19 – John 1:1-3 – John 1:18 – etc.WJ   You must be reading some special Trinitarian Bible or something.    Only one of those scriptures even mentions the Holy Spirit, and none of them could possibly contradict these scr…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 30 2011,16:29)Only One translation renders John 1:18 as “a begotten God”.And one that renders it as “only begotten god”.  (NWT)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 30 2011,16:20)Quote If anyone will not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, that which is before all ages from the Father, outside time and without a body, and secondly that nativity of these latter days when the Word of God came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2011,23:23)From what I have heard the tenet of trinitarianism was not seddled until a later council and Eusebius' disagreement was more about word choice and its possible consequences than anything concrete.  Perhaps you have heard different.Actually, the first creed left out any mention of the third member of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2011,21:03)Well, I know why you are confused if that is the only way you can see Jesus as almighty.  Let me clear that up for you Mike…It makes MUCH more sense that God Almighty begot the Begotten God Almighty, who He called His “Son”, and who then became a man who was still the Begotten God Almighty but for some…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 28 2011,23:35)I would like to summarize what everyone has brought as thier understanding to this thread with respect to Matthew 3:15.Quote   The purpose was to set an example. To show repentance is necesary. To show his obedience to God. To fulfill prophesy. To show Jesus to be in conformance with Mosaic law regarding a…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 28 2011,22:45)Hi Mike,   Right. We are talking about the use of the word anoint in it's adjective form and it verb form and it's use as a title or identifier in prophesy. All are valid in my humble opion. My understanding is that God anointed Jesus and the Prophets of OT who in turn annointed Kings. Jesus would be the one…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2011,22:40)Mikewhat did the holy spirit do to the apostles when they receive it ,and also what did Jesus said what it will do wen they received it ??see were Jesus went after he received the holy spirit ,and understand what was his fight,and how he respond to the attack of the devilPierreMany things, Pierre. Just make…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 30 2011,01:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,11:57)Hi Paladin,I don't have time for this.  O.K. Come back when you have time to be nice.       But then you actually addressed two of my other posts, one of which wasn't even addressed to you!  Did I stump you with the post you avoided?   What I don't have time for is peopl…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,12:13)Why would you always assume the word “elohim” always means “a god” or any one definition, when you would not always translate it as “The One True God” or God?I don't, Keith.  I assert that the word always means “ruler”, remember?  And the “ruler” mentioned could be Satan, Jesus, God Almighty, or even a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,23:19)Well, that and John 1:18.So, from one word “theos”, and a scripture that clearly lists Jesus as a lessor god that was begotten and that people CAN see, you find some kind of “equality” between Jesus and his God?   Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2011,23:19)God the Father must be self-sufficient by definition.  He m…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,Think about it in light of these scriptures.  LXX:  magnified your word over every namePhil 2:9 – Therefore God exalted to the highest place  and gave the name that is above every name, Eph 1 – he raised from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above………..every name that is invoked,When yo…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,13:05)But you believe there are many gods don't you t8?”THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE!”. Those are Pauls words BTW.How can that ONE and ONLY God be “The God of gods” if there are no others? How can His first commandment be to place none of the other gods before Him if there are no other gods? And why don't you…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,11:23)God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little god” that we serve and bow down too that we call our god but he is not the “True god” because we only serve “one god”.Yeah, you're right…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 29 2011,11:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2011,11:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:39)Do you have a scripture that says Jesus was “concieved” at all before he came in the flesh?Yeah,Psalm 2:7, as supported by John 3:16.  Jesus was already God's only begotten Son when he was originally SENT into the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,09:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2011,19:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:39)Do you have a scripture that says Jesus was “concieved” at all before he came in the flesh?Yeah,Psalm 2:7, as supported by John 3:16.  Jesus was already God's only begotten Son when he was originally SENT into the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,09:00)Hello Mike;May I see if I can make it plain here? There are two creations in scripture, two foundations, two destructions, all of which makes for a certain ammount of confusion.Hello Paladin,Does Hebrews 1:2 say “ages”, as in PLURAL, were created through Jesus?Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,09:00)Instead, he said…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 29 2011,09:34)Mike is showing frustration, not animus. (IMO)Bingo.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 29 2011,09:19)MikeYour attitutde is not what a moderator should have. I have been to other sights and no moderator acts like you do Mike.Keith, When you get your own site, then you can pick your own moderator.  Check the “Who would make a good moderator” poll that you started.  Look at the results.  And factor in th…[Read more]