Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2011,09:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 06 2011,21:06)But the fact of the matter is that Paul DISTINCTLY and EXPLICITELY lists our one God as THE FATHER in 8:6. MikeAnd 1 Cor 8:6 very specifically says that Jesus is the “One Lord” so if the Father is also that “One Lord” then Jesus is also that “One God”.You can see…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2011,10:05)It is fine with me if you keep up the accusations against me, I rejoice in the Lord my God, JesusIt sure doesn't sound like it's "fine" – based on your last post in the "Truthful Answers" poll.  Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2011,10:05)It is because we know that you believe in and bow down to and…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 07 2011,10:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2011,09:20)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ April 02 2011,17:06)How can Mike say that Christ is literally 'begotten' and be an angel if the Father who begat Him is not an angel?OMG I hadn't thought of that, I think you just check mated Mike. You are correct. If Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 07 2011,06:50)Men, angels (created spiritual beings), and Jesus Himself have all played the part of being a messenger, so from that point of view yes, Jesus was an “angel” (as in messenger), but agreeing to that statement in no way should be understood as my believing that Jesus was a “created” spiritual being.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2011,09:46)It is the same with the words elohyim and theos. If context says it is a judge, ruler, leader, angel, God, gods, or men then it should be translated that way because not all judges, angels, men etc are “God” or gods.And who gets to decide, Keith?  What if YOU want to translate theos as God, with a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 07 2011,03:39)Where in scripture does it say, “angelic being”?Angels are not a race or species.This is the reason I'm a “coward”.  D is trying to prove some species, of which he claims Jesus is not a part.  And while I realize and proclaim that Jesus is much higher than any other messenger of God, he is still a messenger of his G…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2011,22:49)Prophets of God are messengers of God and are not angels.Hi Kerwin,John the Baptist is called an angel in scripture.  Jesus also calls him a prophet. So one MAN was both a prophet and an angel of his God.  I think all but t8 are missing the simplicity of this issue.  ANY messenger of God is also an angel of Go…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 06 2011,23:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2011,11:41)       So Paul was saying he was welcomed as an angel of God, as if he were God Himself?       Wm, does Bill Gates have a “higher status” than a billionaire?  What if I had said “Rockefeller” or “Getty” or “Hearst”?  Did I just list people who were “higher” than bi…[Read more]

Keith,I gave you the benefit of the doubt.  I pointed out that you must have either MISREAD THE QUESTION, or lied.  You had the chance right then and there to say, “OH!  I didn't notice the 'according to these scholars' part, Mike.  Of course the answer is YES now that you've brought that part to my attention.”Did you take that chance and say tho…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 07 2011,17:08)Quote (Baker @ April 08 2011,10:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2011,09:45)Quote (Baker @ April 07 2011,11:11)Hi Kathi and Mike!  I am reading your posts, and smiling.  It seems that most here don't understand that Jesus came into existing long before the world was.  I also found that no matter what Scriptures on…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 07 2011,06:42)Acts 13:33, 'God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that he has RAISED UP (begotten) Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are my Son, Today I have begotten you'Hi Istari,Acts 1323 “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.26 “Fellow child…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 07 2011,11:11)Hi Kathi and Mike!  I am reading your posts, and smiling.  It seems that most here don't understand that Jesus came into existing long before the world was.  I also found that no matter what Scriptures one puts in front of them, they usually reason it away, one wau or another….is it not that way because they ca…[Read more]

Bye Bye, D.

You stated that one of your posts dealt with these issues. I have not seen these issues dealt with.D, this is real simple:CAN YOU PROVE THAT JESUS IS NOT A MESSENGER OF HIS GOD? YES OR NO?CAN YOU PROVE THAT JESUS IS NOT A SPIRIT BEING? YES OR NO?Answer those questions, D. And then it will be over.mike

Quote (kerwin @ April 06 2011,22:20)Mike Boll,Why does the writer of Hebrews ask “To which angel does God ever say….?”Hi Kerwin,Well, to which one of the angels DID God say, “You are my Son”? It was Jesus, wasn't it?Kerwin, can you prove the two points I keep repeating for D? If you can, then do so. If you can't, then Jesus is an angel of…[Read more]

Hi D,I've proved my case. Now, here's what YOU have to prove to show me I'm wrong:1. Jesus is NOT a messenger of his God.2. Jesus is NOT a spirit being.If you can do either, I'll be willing to go the distance. If you cannot, then it's over.Can you prove either of these two things, D?

Hi D,I have just read through your posts. Here's the verdict: YOU think John 10 is literally saying Jesus and the Father are the same God because one is in the other and the other is in one.I don't think it's literal. That's it. Now, do you have a scripture to SUPPORT your literal understanding? Because I have John 17 that refutes…[Read more]

Thanks Irene,And good post. mike

I've proved my case. Now, here's what YOU have to prove to show me I'm wrong:1. Jesus is NOT a messenger of his God.2. Jesus is NOT a spirit being.If you can do either, I'll be willing to go the distance. If you cannot, then it's over.Can you prove either of these two things, D?mike

Well, the words say “one God, the Father”.  Then they go on to tell how all things came FROM Him, right?Then Paul list another, as confirmed by his use of the word “AND”.  And all things are not said to be FROM this other one, but THROUGH him.This one THROUGH whom all things came is obviously not the Father FROM whom all things came, right?  …[Read more]