Quote (kerwin @ April 16 2011,03:00)according to you the Spirit being that would be known as Jesus was not changed into flesh but instead put on flesh. Hi Kerwin,What I'm claiming is what the scriptures teach.  Jesus existed in the form of God, meaning “as a spirit being in heaven”.  Then he was made as a human being.  It was not the “spirit be…[Read more]

Keith, When Jack and I were having our first debate, and I had him backed into a corner, he stopped talking to me claiming it was because I said “Jesus is a god in the same sense as Satan is a god”.  My statement was just as true then as it is today and I stand behind it, but for Jack, it was an excuse to RUN!  You are now using this situation a…[Read more]

Hey Istari,This is the point of my last point to you:You have stated this claim, and showed the scripture to support your claim. That is how things should be done here. But why then when I point out that John the Baptist also heard and did the works of God would you have to change the requirements to “also sinless”?It seems to me like I made my…[Read more]

Okay all,Here's the scorecard so far:Galatians 4:14…….you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.This scripture places Jesus in the “angel” category without a doubt.  Add to this the fact that any messenger of God is also an angel of God, for that's what the word means.  And not only did Jesus speak God's w…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 16 2011,06:58)Son of God – is … The Scriptures say… You can read it yourself in Romans 8:14 – Mankind who hear and do the works of God – their FatherOkay Istari,You have stated this claim, and showed the scripture to support your claim.  That is how things should be done here.  But why then when I point out that John t…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 16 2011,00:52)Quote (t8 @ April 15 2011,18:23)Also, at least 2 biblical writers quote from the Book of Enoch and a number of copies were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls too.I beg to differ but who quoted the book of Enoch in the bible?I know Jude did, and I believe Paul did once but I can't put my mind…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 15 2011,23:38)Exactly Kathi,Finally we are hitting the crux of the matterHey, stop using my words and being right. I'm not use to that.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 15 2011,21:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2011,08:40)But don't forget that Jesus is now a spirit being and still an aggelos of his God.  So while Jesus once was a human aggelos, or “messenger of God”, he is now a spirit aggelos, or “angel of God”.Hey Wm and SF, Are you guys on board with this statement, or do you…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 15 2011,18:38)Job 38:7   When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?  The morning stars are considered Angels, and they shouted for joy, when God created the earth…Many translations actually render “sons of God” as “angels” in this verse, for they know what is meant.I've asked Keith b…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 15 2011,17:36)…………who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel……….Again, touche'.  

Quote (karmarie @ April 15 2011,17:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2011,11:49)No where in the scriptures do we have the Father calling angels sons  Job 1:6 'Now it happened on the day when God's sons came to present themselves before Yahweh, that Satan also came among them. Yahweh said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Then Satan…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2011,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2011,16:06)If Jesus is and angel, so is His Father because like begets like.KathiSo true! Scriptures and nature itself clearly teach “every seed bearing seed bears after its own kind”. (Gen 1:11, 21)No where in the scriptures do we have the Father calling angels sons and no…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2011,15:04)Quote (t8 @ April 15 2011,02:25)Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2011,16:25)I don't recall if this verse was mentioned but I think that it is pretty clear that the Son of God is not considered an angel.Tell you what, if I show you one verse that says otherwise, then what would you do about that?t8,There is only…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2011,13:11)KarmarieQuote (all these People here are where I was once on my own…with all the Church Fathers, all the books etc)you like to make yourself stick out above everyone else don`t you?you do not really know anyone of us except by the quotes we make ,right?you have shown your weakness to us and many of us have…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 15 2011,03:11)Mike,Why do you stress the words of the Scriptures…Revelations 1 says that God gave the revelation to Jesus – and Jesus gave it to HIS Angel…That's right Istari.  God GAVE this message TO his messenger/angel Jesus to give to his own messenger/angel to give to John to give to the congregations.Every single…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 15 2011,21:37)Istari said:Quote Mike,You are a 'Card', a real playing card, in fact, a Joker! You, Jack, WJ and SF… The four Jokers in this forum pack!Yup, and your that extra card thats always tossed to aside because no one wastes thier time reading your speculations of how to play.

Quote (karmarie @ April 15 2011,02:21)For comparison of the YLT and others, I go herehttp://bible.cc/john/1-1.htmHey Kar,Thanks for the link!  I checked it out only briefly, but I might end up liking this site better than the NETNotes that Kathi turned me on to!  How do you women keep finding such great, informational sites?  mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2011,23:35)He is a messenger of Himself afterall.That's just silly. What message did God ever deliver for someone else?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2011,23:25)I don't recall if this verse was mentioned but I think that it is pretty clear that the Son of God is not considered an angel.”But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.  If the Son was an angel then saying 'nor the Son' would be redundant.Hi…[Read more]

And that last question brings us to the crux of the matter, D.When Paul says, "yet for us, there is but one God, the Father", he is not implying there aren't any other gods at all.  That would be silly considering he starts the sentence by saying there are many gods in heaven and on the earth.Do you now understand that there ARE many gods, but…[Read more]