Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the act of desparation.  Acts 1:9 has the words “taken up before our very eyes”, which refers to people actually…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,13:27)The problem is that you are not reading what is being said, but only reacting on your pre-conceived notion that Jesus pre-existed.I disagree, Marty.I think the REAL problem is that not one of the scriptures you showed prohibit Jesus from having a spiritual pre-existence.  Correct me if I'm wrong, sir.  And if I…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,03:41)Mikeboll,I am happy that you so admirably demonstrate exactly what EVERYONE says about you.And I'M glad YOU'VE given me the opportunity to once again prove that “EVERYONE” is wrong about that, just as Wm gave me the same opportunity earlier in this very thread.Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,03:41)You ask a…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 16 2011,22:44)Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2011,15:32)To those concerned,So if I understand correctly, Paul is stating that he was received as a messenger of God, even Jesus the Anointed.Quote Galatians 4:14 (Young's Literal Translation) 14and my trial that in my flesh ye did not despise nor reject, but as a…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 16 2011,21:58)PRINCEFor there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)@Lightenup: Elohim means plurality in person instead…[Read more]

And here come all the “well, it could have meant” guesses from the non-preexisters who must go out of their way to find odd, alternate meanings to clearly worded scriptures.Let me ask you this, Marty:COULD IT ALSO HAVE MEANT that Jesus came down from heaven, and foretold about the time when his disciples would actually EYEWITNESS him ascending…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,07:05)Well Mike, give me a moment here – What was your question?Oh, right… Quote So I ask you, which “ascension” did the disciples actually eye witness, as was alluded to by Jesus in John 6?Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,03:48)If you claim it is the same way men are born again to the spirit, you have to explain how it is that the plan for men is reversed for Jesus, but with no record in scripture.What are you talking about?  There are plenty of scriptural records, such as Phil 2.  Paul tells us that Jesus was existing in the form o…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 15 2011,21:46)Mike,Consider what I have been trying to tell you for the thousandeth time,  Many are called gods, such as baal, pharaohs the imaginations and idols that men create, but there is only the one true God that is REAL.Hi D,You should consider what I'VE been trying to tell you.  I'm not lying.  What I'm sa…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,18:11)Elohim.What?

Does your assumption that Paul meant “Jesus AND God” when he said “Creator” hold up to the prayer in Acts 4?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,18:09)Mike,God in His fullness is a singular term representing a plurality.  Family is also a singular term and also representing a plurality.Great. Show me the scripture that teaches all of us this fact.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,18:03)God was always complete though, there was always a Father and a Son, the Son just hadn't always been begotten.Kathi,Since there is not one single scripture supporting this view of yours, don't you consider it a little “daring” to do something that is against the CLEAR commands of God and against the CLEAR…[Read more]

I think he meant there is a God who created and a god who was created.  We are not to worship the creation, but only the Creator.  And take especial note that Paul says “Creator”, as in SINGULAR, not “Creators”, as in PLURAL in Romans 1:25.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2011,16:28)mistaken and a victom of your own diversions that you create by rewording questions 5 times and pasting responses in 2 or 3 threads.I shouldn't have had to ever reword the question Keith. But you wouldn't budge towards answering the first question with what we all know to be the truth. So I was…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2011,16:19)Hi Mikelook at this and think ;Hos 6:2 After two days he will revive us;on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presencei like this scripture.PierreHi Pierre,Now that you've pointed it out to me, I like it too! If you view that scripture in the “1000 years is a day” frame of mind, the…[Read more]

Well put Pierre and Irene.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,16:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2011,15:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2011,14:25)Mike,Quote That's a good scripture for you to remember when you're worshipping the Son OF God as if he were God Himself.  I worship the Son of God as if He were the begotten God Himself, along with the God who beget Him.  I t…[Read more]

Istari,You've now posted four posts in a row with the apparent intention of doing nothing but proving what a worthless piece of crap I am to people who don't agree with you about that.  In the meantime, the question remains unanswered by you:Istari, is being “sinless” ever said in scriptures to be a requirement for being a son of God?  YES or N…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2011,15:44)Did I lie or was I being dishonest when I answered the question “ONCE” incorrectly?Your untruthful answer could have been an oversight.  But the fact that your next response did not recognize or correct that possible oversight speaks volumes.Most of us would have said, “Oh crap!  I didn't read the w…[Read more]