Quote (csaliba @ April 16 2011,23:21)Be aware that God couldn't make contact directly with humans not even MosesHi Charles,So why did that change? If Jesus IS God, then God not only made direct contact with humans, but was also able to be killed by them.peace,mike

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2011,19:16)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,14:58)Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2011,14:32)Dennison,I have given you my understanding of what Jesus meant when he stated “I and the Father” are one.   It actually literally states that God is united with all who bear his name in the following passage.Ephesians 4:3E…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,14:56)So lets go back to John 10.Hi D,I read your understanding of 10.  My understanding is that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose and will because, as Jesus himself says, “I always do everything that pleases my Father”.So it is the will of only ONE that is done, the Father's.  And the other one, J…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,20:20)With this post, I just wanted to explain why looking at the Greek is very helpful to distinguish which variation of translation is closest to the intent of the original language.  I haven't the faintest idea why you would have a problem with that…it is a good thing, Istari.I second that “wondering”.  Why w…[Read more]

Can't answer the points, Paldin?  I didn't think so.  In fact I KNEW you couldn't, because scripture is on OUR side on this one, brother.Irene, I think I broke his spirit.  Well, not me personally, but the scriptures we've all posted.Carry on, ma'am.  mike

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,18:13)Hi Mike:I already answered your questions pertaining to this, and apparently, you do not understand,No Marty,What you did was show scriptures that explained how Jesus came to be IN THE FLESH.  Not one of those scriptures prohibits Jesus from a pre-existence before he came to be in the flesh.But if that's all…[Read more]

Good post, Istari.I don't agree with you, so let's Go to the Greeks!    Yeah, I LIKE that saying.Seriously, if there is not one particular scripture that says being sinless is a requirement of being a son of God, then show me the scriptures that imply this is the case.Because you can talk on and on for hours about how YOU PERSONALLY understand t…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,18:28)Then all this nonsense with Mikeboll and SF kicked off so I didn't get back.Oh I see.  It's “nonsense” when someone finally gives it back to you in the same measure with which you give it out daily?  Istari, I will make a final plea to you as Moderator:PLEASE just stick to discussing the scriptural matters t…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 17 2011,16:09)Mikeboll, I answered your question but because it showed you were wrong you resort to revenge!Istari,The following is from page 27:Quote Hey Istari,This is the point of my last point to you:You have stated this claim, and showed the scripture to support your claim.  That is how things should be done here.  But w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,13:36)Col 1 15 tells us that the Son was creator not the created. No one can be a 'firstBORN' and also the first of a kind. He was the second of His kind…the God natured kind.Kathi,God has brought forth many “first of their kinds”.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,13:22)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,13:45)Mike Said: Quote It seems to me that Dennison was right about this point.  Although “aggelos” does simply mean “messenger”, and was used of human beings as well as heavenly spirit beings, the NT writers do seem to distinguish a group of beings called “aggelos” from…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,12:45)Mike Now that you Finally Understand the Crux of the matter, And now that you acknowledge that the NT writers have demonstrated the Idea of a particular group called Angels. Is Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour part of the Particular Group that are not technically defined as simple “messengers”?And if So…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,12:37)It says “everything” which wouldnt inlcude God because they are one and the same. If they were seperate entities, than i wouldnt know how you would fit that in your theology.No, read it more carefully:27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under h…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,17:59)Hi Mike:Please give me your understanding of the following scripture:Quote John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,17:12)Mike;The reason the Jews could not understand Jesus' words is not because of any problem with clarity,Start your post again with the correct premise, please.The Jews DID understand the words Jesus spoke. They CLEARLY understood that this “regular guy” was for some reason claiming he came down from heaven.They…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,17:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the act of desparation.  Acts 1:9 has the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,17:01)The burden of proof is on you if you are going to say that he pre-existed in the form of God prior to his birth into this world.I disagree again Marty.I see the burden of proof being on you to show that these words……………1.  I came down from heaven.2.  What if you see me ascend to where I was before?3.  …[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 17 2011,16:47)The bread of life were the Words that God was speaking to humanity through him.  It was the Holy Spirit that was indwelling him and speaking to humanity through him.So was it the Holy Spirit speaking through him when he said he would send the Holy Spirit as ANOTHER helper after he ascended?Marty, you are in…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,16:55)Some translators are even now adding words to the translations to make their own doctrine more evident.Case in point is a new translation called “Net Bible” which adds a word to John 1:1 to “clarify” a position point – 1:1 “In the beginning 1  was the Word, and the Word was with God, 2  and the Word was fully G…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,14:03)Are you saying Jesus pre-existed in spirit form as the word of God, based upon the word being the spirit of God?No.I understand the scriptures to teach that Jesus pre-existed in the form of God (spirit form), and had the name/title “the Word of God” because he has been God's main spokesman from the beginning.I…[Read more]