Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2011,10:41)“Thus the translation “the Word was fully God” was chosen because it is more likely to convey the meaning to the average English reader that the Logos (which “became flesh and took up residence among us” in John 1:14 and is thereafter identified in the Fourth Gospel as Jesus) IS ONE IN ESSENCE WITH GO…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:30)Mike,you said:Quote prefer “a god” in John 1:1, because I know that Jesus is a god who was with the God in the beginning, but who was not that God he was with.  Kathi agrees with this, but for some reason feels the capitalized “God” in part c says this just the same as using “a god” would.I do not feel like…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 18 2011,23:31)Istari wrote:Quote “This has now become an infamous 'Mikebollism'.”  Man that cracks me up, Im stealing that.Hey guys!  I have a crazy idea:  What if, instead of inventing names to ridicule me and coming up with new ways to insult me, you just hit me where it would REALLY hurt?Show my understanding to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,19:16)Mike,The Son always existed within the Father, creation did not.Show me the scripture that teaches you this “fact”…………..so that I too may believe.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,19:08)I can't begin to worship the Father in truth apart from the worship of the Son…one without the other would not save me.Then you might as well go full bore and worship God's Spirit also.  And the Book of Life too!  Because without that Book which contains your name, you cannot be saved.Will you worship the B…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 19 2011,16:31)But to let you in on the secret I'd have to pm you because there is someone who is very sensitive to the reality of truth who wouldn't like the truth to be told unless they agreed it first.Good call!

Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2011,13:16)if God is invisible then all things were created out of that witch is invisible.Check you out, Pierre.You've mastered the quote box…………..and now BOLDED WORDS!What's next? Underlines? Italics? You have made me so proud! peace and love to you,mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2011,12:26)If Jesus is a literal “Angelic” being……………Where is this particular “species” mentioned in scripture, Keith?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:20)I can't think why there would be any reason to not give that both to the Father and the Son.I can think of about 10 scriptures off the top of my head that give very good reasons. But I've already posted them to you, and you don't seem to care because, as your sentence begins, you can't THINK of any reason,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:13)Istari,The default definition of 'firstborn' is the first offspring to come from the parent. All other instances that are not according to the default are rare.And made very clear by the context that they AREN'T the default definition.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,08:02)Mike,Not all heavenly spirit messengers were created. There are the angels and then there is the Son and the Spirit, both eternal…not created. God always was a Father.Kathi,Scripture says Jesus was created…………..TWICE. It also says he was born many times. Nothing that was “brought forth”, as the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2011,07:57)Irene,That is the big huge difference between you and I. You seem to think that God created Jesus out of nothing. He could not be a literal son if that were so.KathiKathi,Everything came out of God, right? Even rocks and planets and clouds and humans and Jesus, right? Or do you think things already…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 19 2011,02:56)God GAVE the Revelation to Christ… Is that messenging – to be GIVEN something?Jesus Christ SENT it to John via the Angel. It is the Angel that is Messenging for Jesus Christ.You could stretch it and say John is being a 'Human Angel' because he delivers the Revelation to through his writing but that road would…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin, The Lamb wasn't slain before the founding of the earth and there is no scripture that says it was. I tried to use a commonly mistranslated verse from Rev 13 to make my point………….and it backfired on me! That's what I get for “cheating”. Consider this verse:John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 19 2011,01:08)I would recommend you ask a mystic or a scholar.Maybe then I'd at least get an answer to my questions instead of excuses why someone WON'T answer them. Bye Paladin, you are waste of my time.mike

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2011,22:12)Son of man means decendent of human kind.So was the Decendent of Human kind in heaven or was Jesus speaking in another context.Hi Kerwin,This whole argument is weak and far reaching IMO. Jesus was saying “I came down from heaven” and “what if you see ME ascend to where I was before”. You guys put so much…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 18 2011,03:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2011,09:59)Quote (Paladin @ April 17 2011,13:38)That's o.k. Mike, none of your references say anything about “eye witness” either, because it is your standard that you have turned into a requirement, not scriptures.Hi Paladin,Your post is the act of desparation.  Acts 1:9 has the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2011,23:55)God creates through the Spirit of Christ.Close Kerwin.Actually God created through the spirit BEING Christ. You were only one word off.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,23:00)Scriptures are very clear that Jesus created.You could have be more honest and said “both” but you didnt.Pierre isn't being dishonest D. There is not one scripture that says Jesus created anything at all, but that his God created everything THROUGH him.None of us know exactly what that means, or what…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,22:13)36: Jesus is implying that he was Sanctified and Sent into in the world.  By WHO?  Himself?You agree that 37 says the second person does the works OF the first person mentioned.  So TWO are mentioned, not ONE.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,22:13)37 says the second person does the works OF the fi…[Read more]