Berean…

Revelation 1:1

This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon come to pass.

1. Is Jesus a messenger of God?

2. Is Jesus a spirit being now?

Angel:  A spirit messenger of God

Gene:  Satan wants you to believe Jesus didn’t come into his only true existence through a human birth process,  and therefore is not of the human race.

John 8:58

Very truly I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I existed.

Gene, what did Jesus mean by those words?

Berean:  JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. 

Jesus is a god because he is one of God’s spirit sons.  All of God’s spirit sons are gods.  Jesus is the first one that God brought forth into existence.  Besides, your claim is irrational.  The only begotten son of the human being King David will be a human, and may even someday…[Read more]

Berean: Hebrews 1 shows us the superiority of Christ over the angels (messengers)
why is Christ superior or greater?

It shows that Jesus BECAME as superior to the OTHER messengers of God as the name HIS GOD gave him was superior to theirs.  His God gave him that name because, as God’s holy servant, Jesus faithfully carried out God’s commandments o…[Read more]

gadam:  This is the fate of the NT it contradicts its own Christology. I hope Mike and other non-trinitarians will notice this problem. 

No contradiction at all… just a lack of understanding on your part.

Berean: GOD CREATED BY HIS SON 

So if God created, who is our Creator?

Berean: ALL IS FROM GOD THE FATHER(the Son too) AND BY HIS SON…  I’m sure you will one day understand this…

I already understand it.  I understand that you take the KJV word “by” and ignore the fact that the true meaning of it is “through”.  So the scriptural truth is that…[Read more]

Berean:  Mike 
John 1:3 give the answer
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
HIM = THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Thanks for your answer.  You believe Jesus is the Creator.  What then do you make of this?

Mark 13:19-20

…because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God cre…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……Right on brother.  Very good post to LU and Berean too.

Thanks Gene.  Hey, do you know what happened to Ed J?  I haven’t heard anything from him in months.

LU: Paul understands the Father is also our “kurios” Lord, and Paul understands that Jesus is also our theos. In the context of 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is identifying two persons who are our God and Lord. In the NT when the context is speaking about the Father and the Son, they are typically distinguished as God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Tha…

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LU: Prov 8

22Jehovah possessed me — the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.

23From the age I was anointed, from the first, From former states of the earth.

24In there being no depths, I was brought forth, In there being no fountains heavy waters,

25Before mountains were sunk, Before heights, I was brought forth.

1.  You admit…

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LU:   …the Hebrew wouldn’t put an ‘s after a family name. So Flintstone’s is the English way of including the whole family with the last name of Flintstone but not the Hebrew way. 

Really? So because we use an “s”, while the Hebrews used an “im” or “oth” suffix to denote plurality, the case is solved?  Come on now, Kathi.  Let’s try this again…[Read more]

Berean: Gene

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 
For by him were all things created…

Berean, who is our Creator?

gadam: Your strange ideas of interpreting Hebrew scriptures…

Like I told you in the other thread, “Lol, ha ha” is not a valid argument.  Neither is claiming the other guy’s ideas are “strange”, therefore you “win”.  🙄

gadam:  Sorry I don’t want any further arguments on this Arian controversy here with me.

Fantastic!  Take care.

Gene: Berean …..I realize Jesus is your God, and you worship him as such,   but he is not my God, I have a God and it’s the same God , Jesus has.   Thank you for your concern though.

peace and love to you and yours……..gene

Brilliant!  No long explanations needed.  Just the plain, simple and SCRIPTURAL fact that our God is also Jesus’ God.  We kno…[Read more]

Proclaimer: It was addressed perfectly and you know it. That is why you got a bit upset.

Actually, you still haven’t addressed it.  Since the point I’m making is easy for anyone to understand, I can only imagine that you’re going out of your way to pretend like you can’t understand it.  Maybe this will help…

Are you able to grasp the c…[Read more]

Proclaimer: God is above the bottom of a soccer ball sitting on the pavement.

Congratulations!  You’ve made it to a level of nonsensical double-talk usually reserved only for Trinitarians.  If you’re going to butt in, at least address my actual premise of PEOPLE on opposite sides of a ball earth each looking up into the sky to where God r…[Read more]

Berean: THE TRUTH IS THAT GOD CREATED ALL THINGS BY HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

Can you explain what that means?  Did “God” create?  Or did “His only begotten Son” create?  Which one?  I mean, who should I identify as my Creator?  The Bible only mentions “Creator” – not “Creators”.  So which of the two is the Bible talking about when they say “Crea…[Read more]

LU: If I said this:

One father + one mother + one son = Fred, Wilma, and Bambam

and all are identified as the Flintstones,

would you understand that the Father is “Fred” and the mother is “Wilma” and the son is “BamBam?”

Fred and Wilma’s child was Pebbles, not BamBam.  He was the son of Barney and Betty Rubble. 😉

But where your analogy fails…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So for us believers there is one God the Father and one lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.

But for LU, there is one God the Father Son and Spirit. And one Lord, the Father, Jesus, and Spirit.

Did I crack the formula this time?

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LU: You seem to believe that only one person is both God of gods as well as Lord of lords. Why do you disagree with Paul in 1 Cor 8:6 who says that we have one God and one Lord and they are two persons?

Kathi, do you really think Paul was saying that the Father isn’t also our Lord?