Quote (942767 @ April 28 2011,11:12)Hi Mike:Maybe you didn't, but obviously someone did or mistranslated what was said.Hi Marty,Did they also mistranslate John 1:1 and 20:28?Will you keep your head in the sand also, or realize that many in scriptures were called “elohim” and “theos”? Jesus was one of them. He was the god who was with THE God in…[Read more]

We'll be praying for you and your southern neighbors in your time of hardship.mike

Quote (Baker @ April 28 2011,11:02)Paladin! Mal 3:1 ¶ Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Is this not speaking of both, John the Baptist the…[Read more]

Hi Marty,Here's what I wanted from you:Quote All I want to know from any of you is why this scripture CAN'T POSSIBLY be saying the person of Jesus had glory alongside God before the world was created.What SCRIPTURE prohibits my understanding of this verse?AGAIN, I DON'T ASK FOR ALTERNATE THINGS IT COULD MEAN, BUT FOR A SCRIPTURAL REASON WHY IT CAN'…[Read more]

Thanks to all for the “atta-boys”.    Let's not let this point slip through the cracks.  Let's insist that Keith and Kathi show a scripture that says Jesus is from eternity……..or put enough pressure on them that they stop claiming their additions to scripture as facts.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,10:32)The problem you have with your theory is you have no unambiguous scripture that says the preincarnate Jesus had a beginning.Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, Micah 5:2, Prov 8:22, Heb 1:6…………..Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,10:32)Before John says this he tells us that Jesus the Word that was with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2011,15:34)Mike,You are comparing the divine nature with the human nature.  Human nature insists that they have a beginning.Hi Kathi,I just watched a couple videos of the tornados.  Man!  Talk about a strong BODY of wind!  I will pray for those affected.Kathi, how do you know I'm only talking about humans?  Angels were…[Read more]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 26 2011,21:00)Come now Moses didn't light up the whole entire planet did he?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,20:35)Mike,The matter didn't come from eternal substance within God.  It came into existence by His will as new substance.  Like I said, parts of God's substance did not evolve into trees and fish and people otherwise all would be parts of God and could be worshiped.Scripture please?  And we are not to worship an…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,20:17)'from ancient times' can mean 'from eternity'.Hi Kathi,There has been some discussion about this. The fact that Jesus says he will be with us until the END of “aion” makes it hard to believe the word means “eternity” – because “eternity” has no END. (Matt 28:20)And “aion” is the word the LXX authors used for…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2011,20:10)Do you ignore the witness if you don't like what he said.  You wouldn't ignore them if they said something like “it is grammatically possible to say the word was a god”  In fact you would plaster it all over HN from one thread to another.Hi Kathi,I agree with ALL of the scholars that can show scriptural s…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 27 2011,00:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,12:31)Quote (Paladin @ April 24 2011,15:47)He was not an angel:Sure he was.  “Aggelos” simply means “messenger”, and Jesus, Gabriel and John the Baptist were all “aggelos” of their God.  No, he wasn't. No scripture ever applies “aggelos” to Jesus. I think you are thinking of H…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 26 2011,23:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2011,15:12)Quote (Paladin @ April 26 2011,09:19)Amazing what power doctrine holds over scripture.It sure does.  Just check out the power your doctrine holds over you:Jesus – I came down from heaven.Paladin – Jesus did NOT come down from heaven.Paul – The Son is the image of the…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,We are “close” on our understanding of “elohim”.  The “im” at the end only makes it plural, and means “elohim” can either refer to many gods, or to one majestic god.  The same “plural of majesty” is used on the words “SongS of Songs”, “KingS of kings”, “LordS of Lords” and “SlaveS of slaves” in scripture.  And all of those plural fi…[Read more]

Thanks, Kerwin.Let's wait and see what the “Jesus has been around forever” people say about this thought.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 26 2011,23:46)But since i believe there is only THE God, the only one that exist, than he is the only Personal God that I know of. That scriptures teach that there is NO OTHER GOD besides THE GOD.Hey D,Let's just drop this.  I've grown weary of it because the scriptures clearly mention MANY gods, yet you stick your…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 27 2011,09:18)Both Jesus as a man died, His Spirit went back to God, but Jesus never was deity before. He was like the Angels. All Son's of God. I am not going as far to say that Jesus was one of the Angels. Jehovah God sent Him to earth to die for us. After His resurrection, Jehovah God awarded Him with deity or…[Read more]

Hi All,This is my post from page nine – my first post on this thread:Quote There has never been a known occasion in the history of the world where someone who was brought forth into existence wasn't also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist.  I exist now because I was brought forth.  But because I was brought forth into existence, it also m…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 26 2011,23:13)I do not believe it of you and I do not do it.Fair enough. Point taken.

And is that what the scriptures teach? Are ALL of the gods who are in the assembly of gods being presided over by the God of gods YOUR gods?Is Satan YOUR god because he is A god?Paul clearly says that there are many gods, both in heaven and on earth………….are they all YOUR god?mike