Quote (kerwin @ May 01 2011,00:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,20:44)Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2011,04:42)If you are speaking of the Spirit of Christ then I agree as it clearly states in the story of the old creation that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.Hi Kerwin,I think you are stating that God's Spirit “married” flesh, (not BECAME…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2011,22:45)Mike, for all creation, there was a time when those created out of new substance did not exist. The substance of Jesus came from within God originally, right?The substance of granite also came from within God originally, right?The substance of lint also came from within God originally, right?I could go on and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2011,22:25)You can ask one question and then I can answer that question, then my turn to ask you a question. How about that?That's the only way to do a good discussion/debate IMO.(Welcome back)mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,11:36)If he was there before all things came into being then that means he was already there in the beginning of all things.Good try at a “fast one” Keith, but the fact remains that the phrase “of all things” is not evident in the Greek text of John 1:1 or 1:2.  So “in the beginning” obviously refers to a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2011,04:42)I am prone to think it is a word that is shared both by the Canaanites and the Hebrews either because it was derived from a common source or because Abraham and his decedents spoke the common language of the people around them and Hebrew decended from that common language. I agree with this as well as with your…[Read more]

Marty…………………

Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,12:47)Hi Mike:Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture.“I came down from heaven”.  There………….consider it “substantiated”.Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,12:47)I know that he existed in the heart of the Father from before the foundation of the world,…[Read more]

Keith,Do you have a point?  If so, then make it please.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,10:03)So we are children of God and are not being made to be more like the Father God?Yes, that sounds right – how does that say “Jesus is God”?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,10:03)What is the image of God we were made into Mike?I'm not sure…[Read more]

Good post Keith.

We were made in the image of God, Keith. Scripture says so.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,08:42)Major Premise = We are being changed into the image of God.Minor Premise = We are being changed into the image of Jesus.Conclusion = Jesus is God!I learned that from KJ.Keith, the fact you learned it from KJ should be enough to tell you something has to be flawed with it.  You Major Premise is wrong,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2011,04:42)If you are speaking of the Spirit of Christ then I agree as it clearly states in the story of the old creation that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.Hi Kerwin,I think you are stating that God's Spirit “married” flesh, (not BECAME flesh), and was “married to” the likeness of a human being, (not WAS MADE…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 30 2011,08:05)Mike; I would like to see you name someone that existed but who had no activity before the creation of the world; and of course, give the scriptural reference for it.Hi Paladin,And I would like to see you answer the questions I ask of you in a direct manner.  But it seems that only one of our wishes will be…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 29 2011,17:45)I hope that this satisfies your demands because I am not going to go beyond this   Why wouldn't you “go beyond this”?  Are you afraid that by delving into your doctrine it may be exposed for the fallacy it is?Once again, I'm only asking if you have a scripture that prohibits John 17:5 from saying that the p…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2011,22:23)Mike…………But Jesus is not Just a ordinary Angel according to You, the world was created “THROUGH” him according to you, hardly an ordinary angel, In fact you have not produce (ONE) Scripture saying Jesus preexisted as any kind of Angel. Mike say there are myriad of angels that are not talked abut…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2011,05:59)Not one scripture have you produced in the old testament that shows any activity of your preexistent Jesus.Hi Gene,Do you know the activities of every one of the myriads and myriads of angels that existed before the creation of the world?If you do not, does that mean they didn't really exist?  Of course…[Read more]

Yes………….I remember! peace to you,mike

Bump for Keith

Bumped for Keith:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2011,12:04)but lets just say it is a “possibility” that it could be though the scholars have opinions as to why it should or shouldn't be.Thank you Keith.That's all I've wanted from the beginning.  Now that we can agree that “a god” is at least a possible translation, we can each make our…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2011,02:49)An exert or experts expressed the idea Elohim means God's family.Are you ready to welcome Satan, Ba'al, Mo'lech and Dagon into “God's family”? Rest up and be well Kerwin.May the peace of God come to rest upon you,mike