Quote (Paladin @ May 02 2011,06:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,12:42)Quote (Paladin @ May 01 2011,16:51)I have looked again, and I do not see either seven or nine. sorry!Do you deny the possibility of my analogy?mikeMe and scripture both deny it.Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 02 2011,17:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious how you understand it.mikeHi Mike:The Word of God is that which God has sp…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 02 2011,15:38)So the answer is that Jesus was promising his followers that they would receive his spirit through the Spirit of God just as the Elders received the spirit of Moses through the Spirit of Christ previously.Hi Kerwin,I see two problems that maybe you can explain:1.  Jesus referred to this coming helper as something…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Yes.  Any scripture that speaks of Jesus' begetting, his origin, his creation, or his being born tells us that he did not exist from eternity.Anyone from the history of creation who has ever been brought forth has also been subject to a time when they did not exist…………..hence, the bringing forth part. Also consider that YHWH is…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 01 2011,16:51)I have looked again, and I do not see either seven or nine. sorry!Do you deny the possibility of my analogy?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,16:25)A. Yes, your son is a creation in the sense that your son is a creation of God as a part of creation.  B. Yes, your son was begotten/born,Good, then you agree that one can be both created and begotten.  Now apply that new knowledge of yours to Jesus.  Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,16:25)Your son is not Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,18:28)Mike,Would you like to have a one on one conversation because I have answered your questionKathi, Here are some of the points that you've missed:1.  Do you have a single scripture that teaches Jesus is from eternity?  YES or NO?2.  During the prayer in Acts 4, do they pray TO our Creator (singular, as in ON…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 01 2011,18:27)This idea gives rise to the idea of being begotten in eternity rather than created.Hi t8, Explain to me what “begotten in eternity” means.  When exactly was Jesus “inside” of God and when exactly did God bring him forth from inside Him?  Was he a completly whole separate being from God while he was inside Him?  Or di…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,18:23)You weren't a father before you conceived your son. The moment after you conceived your son, you were a biological father. See? I started this thread so that you could get that and now we are on pg. 22 and you still don't get that.That IS why you started the thread, but you have been unable to scripturally…[Read more]

Hey Kathi,When you actually address my points, I'll continue.  You are side-stepping the issues, and I don't care for it.  Please post the quote of what I said, and your direct answer that either refutes or acknowledges that point.Until then, know that if you cannot produce a single scripture that says Jesus is from eternity, the rest of us will b…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,16:44)Mike,1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.For one thing, the 'all things' does not include the one Lord, Jesus Christ otherwise He exists through Himself.  Also, there is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 01 2011,13:27)I dont get why you cant take the the literal as it is, and make up some lame excuse into deciphering the greek and hebrew to prove your point. Why cant you take simply what scriptures state.Mike is there only ONE GOD?  does scripture not state that There is no other God be Jehovah?Okay D,Then why don't…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,15:46)1. The substance of Jesus came from within God originally, right? Can you show me a verse that says that?2.The substance of granite also came from within God originally, right?Can you show me a verse that says that?3.lint also came from within God originally, right?Can you show me a verse that says…[Read more]

……………..or perhaps, to word it differently:The arm OF God cannot possibly BE the God it is the arm OF.The Spirit OF God cannot possibly BE the God it is the Spirit OF.The Son OF God cannot possibly BE the God he is the Son OF.The same would apply to the Priest OF God, the Servant OF God, the Lamb OF God, the Messiah OF God, etc.mike

Hi Kathi,I realize you got behind in your correspondence.  So I will bump two main points that I would really like answered:1.  So which of my statements do you claim to be untrue then?A.  My son is a creation.B.  My son was begotten.I'm trying to prove that it's not a matter of “either/or”, but is a matter of “both”.  The fact that Jesus was bego…[Read more]

Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is? God's Spirit? His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own? Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious how you understand it.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 01 2011,01:25)1. No2. YesHi D,Then why would you think "one god" would be literal, if "one lord" is not?  Do you not know that the words "god" AND "lord" were used for our ONLY Creator as well as many others?  Do you forget that before Paul speaks of our "one god", he mentions that there are MANY gods in heaven and on e…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ May 01 2011,09:45)I mean no harm to you….. or Keith for that matter..No offense was taken, Irene.

Quote (Paladin @ May 01 2011,07:48)Consider, if Jesus was pre-existant, and was already God's son in eternity, why does the scripture say he “became” superior to angels? He would already be so.Hi Paladin,The scripture doesn't really say that Jesus “became superior” to the angels, as if he wasn't already.  It says he became AS MUCH SUPERIOR to…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ May 01 2011,03:35)And I don't understand you Mike to praise Keith who like the Catholic Church believes in the trinity, and the doctrine of preexisting is one of theirs alsoHi Irene,Keith and I go to war over the trinity doctrine every day here. You know this. But what is wrong with praising his post about pre-existence when it…[Read more]