Quote (942767 @ May 05 2011,07:42)Hi Mike:The scripture states that “his Name” is called the Word of God. It does not say that he is the Word of God.Love in Christ,MartyI'm sorry Marty,I could have sworn you said the “Word of God” in Rev 19 WAS Jesus. Did I read your answer wrong? Because now it seems like you are moving away from that…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 05 2011,08:52)Mike……….No scripture say Jesus was originally  made any different then we are. that is an assumption on your part. When you refer to Paul saying Jesus (EXISTED) a past tense expression, what you are failing to realize He was talking about Jesus Past earthly existence not some assumed before…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 04 2011,17:51)my deep understanding of the scriptures is that Jesus preexisted ,now if you can show us all that we have the scriptures all wrong and because there is a word that you believe should mean some thing different than what we have so far seen,please show what you believe it is otherwise,but explain all other…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,08:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2011,19:09)Hi Keith,1 Corinthians 15:27  New International Version (©1984)For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. Keith, who is t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,09:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2011,21:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16)  In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”?  He lists t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,12:27)Does Col 1:15 teach that the creation was literally born of God?If not then how can Jesus be the literal firstborn of creation?Hi Keith,My own son was BEGOTTEN and BORN, yet is also a CREATION of God. Do you deny this?And your literal “all” in John 1:3 is only absolutely, without a doubt literal if the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 04 2011,07:21)Try to stay with the question and not divert off to some where else or nothing can ever be resolved here. Hi Gene,Or……………………..maybe YOU could try answering a question now and then.  Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 04 2011,07:21)Again the question was, Did you see any difference in the Hebrew…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2011,08:32)Of course Jesus is a separate person from God, but his spirit was formed by God through his obedience to God's Word.Hi Marty,Okay……………..so now Jesus is NOT the “Word of God” like you previously said, but instead, someone who OBEYS the “Word of God”?I'm getting confused.mike

Correction:  Our constitution states that no man PERSON can be President unless he/SHE was born on U.S. soil………Sorry for the sexist slight.  It was merely a matter of habit and purely unintentional.  mike

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Good posts Pierre.I enjoy reading them. mike

Hi Princess,A “birther” is a member of the group of people currently trying to de-legitamize the Presidency of Barak Obama, claiming he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. Our constitution states that no man can be President unless he was born on U.S. soil, which is why the Governator will never be the Presinator. mike

Hi Kathi,You need to work on your question wording, girl!    It took a while, but I figured this one out finally.  YES, Jesus is the LITERAL offspring and the LITERAL firstborn of God Himself.YES, I agree that the default meaning of firstborn is “the one born first”, and that the default meaning always applies unless there are clear scriptural wo…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 03 2011,18:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 03 2011,12:30)Quote (942767 @ May 02 2011,17:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,08:29)Hi Marty,What exactly do you think the “Word of God” is?  God's Spirit?  His very spoken words that have taken up an existence of their own?  Is the Word of God a separate entity from God?I'm curious ho…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 03 2011,09:24)But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels Notice Mike it is the same words as used for all of mankind in the above scripture in verse 7, Do you see any difference between those two scriptures I don't. Hi Gene,Can “was made a little lower than the angels” be reconciled with Phil 2, which…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 03 2011,14:46) The answer is “NO” but you keep comparing finite earthly fathers and their sons with an infinite God.Keith, who exactly do you imagine set up the father/son relationships we all know as human beings?  Why would you imagine that the One who created us to have sons that are DIFFERENT beings than we are,…[Read more]

Whoa!  Slow your roll there Keith!    We have a misunderstanding apparently.  On page 20 of this thread, you said:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011 @ 10:32)Before John says this he tells us that Jesus the Word that was with God and was God was already their at the beginning of all things I assumed that you were claiming that the words “In…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2011,20:20)we know that the 'word' was the Son who was with the Father in the beginning.Yes Kathi, Jesus is the SON of God.  And the words “SON OF” further support my original point.  Everyone in the history of creation who BECAME a son has also been subject to a time when he didn't exist BEFORE he was BROUGHT FORTH as a…[Read more]