Gene: Mike……you say Jesus is a Spirit,  but Jesus said clearly he was not a Spirit.  “Far a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see I have’. , that was said “after”  his resurrection. Scripture says his soul would not see corruption. So when did this transfer, between flesh to spirit take place?

Upon his ascension to heaven, Gene.  Jesus was…[Read more]

Gene:  God is never used as a “proper” Name   Itself 

Genesis 1:1… In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The very first verse in the Bible, Gene.

Gene:  To all… NO one has produced “any” scripture showing “ANY” activity of Jesus Pryor to his birth on this earth.  Not even one scripture. 

That’s not true, but even if it were, what would it mean?  We didn’t know anything about Gabriel’s existence prior to his visit to Daniel, right?  Does that mean that Gabriel either didn’t exist, or did a…[Read more]

Gene:  A word , any word,  is not a person,  it is the EXPRESSIONS  of a person…

Gene, in ancient Abyssinia, the king would not have a direct audience with his subjects.  Instead the king had a spokesman, who would speak the decrees of the king to the people.  That spokesman was called “Kal Hatze” – which means “The Word of the King”…[Read more]

Proclaimer: As another example.

‘adam is the Hebrew word for ‘man’.

So Eve was adam, but she is not Adam.

In other words, she is part of mankind, but she is not Adam the first man.

Adam is an identity. adam is a nature. Either can claim the latter. Adam can claim both. He is Adam (The Man) and he is adam (mankind).

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Berean: Jesus Said us WHEN He WAS on earth that he came DOWN from HEAVEN

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.(John 6:38)

WHY YOU cannot beleive what JESUS Say about what he Say WHEN He Say That he came DOWN from HEAVEN ???

That is an excellent question.  Gene, why do you call him “Lord, Lord…[Read more]

Berean:  It is true, as a man Jesus cannot do anything of himself, the Father works in him ….
And in the beginning Jesus worked for the creation of angels and worlds according to the will of the Father and by the DIVINE Power inherited from the Father (JOHN1: 1-3)

Everything you said above means that Jesus is lesser than his God, who does the wo…[Read more]

Gene:  Jesus was referring  , “to his “PRESENT”, EXISTENCE,  Was more “IMPORTANT’  then Abraham to them is or was.

Keep saying it, and I’ll just keep correcting you.

Jesus did NOT say, “Before Abraham I am”.  Jesus DID say, “Before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE, I existed.”

Carmel:  GOD AS A SPIRIT INITIATED CREATION AFTER HE ESTABLISHED A UNIQUE CARRIER SPECIFICALLY FOR HIMSELF, AS BEING A SPIRIT, THOUGH HE EXISTS, CANNOT ACTUALLY LIVE WITHOUT A CARRIER, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD, WHO OCCUPIES ETERNALLY THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE, LACKS MOVEMENT WITHOUT A CARRIER. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MORE CREATURES HE…

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Berean:  The celestials angels are under His direction. (Rev.19)

Michael the Archangel also has angels under his direction.  Satan also has angels under his direction.  Having other angels under your direction is not an indication that you are not also an angel.

It’s simple:  Angel = spirit messenger of God.   Jesus is a spirit messenger of God. …[Read more]

Gene: Mike…….Even if we agree with you interpretation , about the word “ginomai ”…

No, no, no.  There is no “even if”, Gene.  The word means to come into existence, and the word is right there in John 8:58.  Jesus said, “Before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE, I have existed”.

Gene:  …sure Jesus existed before Abraham,  in the plan and will of G…

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Adam: I find this is complete deviation from Hebrew concept of Messiah who was meant to be human being and not a god or spirit being…

In what way, SPECIFICALLY, is it a “deviation”?  The messiah was indeed a human.  But like I’ve told you before (and it fell on deaf ears), God can create human children of Abraham from stones – which would mean t…[Read more]

Proclaimer: So how was the Word WITH God?

Was the Word created through the Word?

“Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”

Whenever we see the phrase “all things” or the word “everything” in scripture, we must run it through the 15:27 test, which is…

1 Cor 15:27

For he “has put everything under hi…[Read more]

Gene: The word God is not any “PERSON”…

THE WORD DESCRIBES A “RELATIONSHIP ” you have with something… 

The word God is about your beliefs…

Hi Gene,

God is most definitely a person.  All of the gods in the Bible are individual people, including YHWH, Satan, Michael, Gabriel, Dagon, Ashteroth, Chemosh, and Jesus.

Adam:  Of course, El was the father of all the gods, so Yahweh quite naturally was one of his children. Deuteronomy 32:8–9 explains how El Elyon (‘Most high God’) divided the nations among the seventy children of El, with Lord (Yahweh) receiving his share:

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons o…

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Berean: NOT CREATED BUT BEGOTTEN

What do you think begotten means?  It means a new life has come into existence… one that didn’t exist before he was begotten/brought forth/given birth/created/came into being, etc.

Who is our ONE Creator?

Berean: What You Say IS not written in The Bible….

BUT IT IS WRITTEN

AND THE WORD WAS GOD 

NOT A GOD 

There are none so blind as those who willingly choose not to see.

1808: “and the Word was a god“ – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, Lo…[Read more]

The idea that the Hebrew culture and the Bible are strictly monotheistic is the furthest thing from the truth.  The Bible is loaded with all kinds of gods, some of them good, some of them evil.  And the Bible includes only one Most High God OF all the other gods. His name is YHWH, and He not only created us and the world in which we live, but He a…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

Yes, Jesus is a messenger of his and our God.  But Jesus is also a spirit…[Read more]

Gene:  First of all , the word “I existed” is not in the text , Jesus said Before Abraham I am.

No Gene, not “before Abraham I am”, but “before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE I am”.

“before Abraham GINOMAI, I am”   

And what does the Greek word “ginomai” mean, Gene?  Look it up for yourself, but here’s the definition of it:

1) to become, i.e. to…[Read more]