Quote (Paladin @ May 11 2011,07:00)Jesus the son of David had established the newness of all, and was declared to be the son of God by the resurrection. That was the point at which God declaed him to be his son; The day of  his resurrection.Matthew 316As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened,…[Read more]

Hi Irene,It's a never ending circle because not one of these guys will continue the discussion to it's end.  It's like the Phil 2:6 thread I started way back when.  They had no problem coming up with alternate meanings for what “the form of God” meant, and when Jesus existed in this form; but no one was able to tell me how Jesus was made in the l…[Read more]

Okay Pierre.

Let's see……………………..English (kind of ), French, and Italian?

Hi Kathi,I also have a question # 2, that I'll ask while awaiting the inevitable answer of “No Mike, there isn't a scripture that CLEARLY teaches us that Jesus has always existed” to my question #1.  Question #2 to Kathi:Kathi, God could easily beget another Son the exact same way He begot Jesus.  If God did beget another Son today, would that S…[Read more]

That's a cop-out Marty.  I posted words straight out of the scriptures, and you joked about my “vivid imagination”.  Stop joking for a minute and SHOW ME the thing I posted that is NOT the words of the scriptures.

So you speak FOUR languages, eh?

That's IS “all you can say”, because you surely can't claim that what I've written is unscriptural, can you?

Quote (942767 @ May 10 2011,08:14)Irene:He was the only Begotten Son of God who was born of the virgin Mary, the firstbegotten of God, and then he obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross, and he then was resurrected from the dead, or he was born again from the dead, making him the firstborn from the dead.But you left out the part where…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 10 2011,08:10)The discussion here is whether or not he existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world, and by this scripture in Galatians which I posted, it shows that he did not.No it doesn't.

Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,03:46)When Jesus took a cord and made a scourge ut of it to drive the money-changers from the temple, it was not because he hated them, nor was it because they were beneath the power of his love, no, my friends, it was becasue they were desecrating his father's house by making profit in exchanging money, and he could…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 10 2011,03:37)“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:” The same principle applies when Paul uses “whether” in this verse, it is a limiting parameter…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 09 2011,21:39)we have gone trough with your opinions ,it like this; if we say this car is color black you would say no it is in the shade and so it shows black ,if we say it is white you would say no it is in the light and shine white

Nice speech Kathi.  Too bad most of your understanding doesn't align with the scriptures.For example, Jehovah chose Cyrus as a messiah, shepherd and savior of Israel.  But according to your reasoning, Jehovah was unable to save Israel without Cyrus.  According to your reasoning, Cyrus is also part of the “fullness” of God, because Israel wo…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I don't mean to be hard-headed, but I'll answer another question from you if and when I get an adequate answer to my very first question.I'm looking for a scripture that MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR that Jesus existed from eternity.If there are none, then I have no scriptural reason to assume that Jesus being created means anything other than…[Read more]

Quote (Kila @ May 10 2011,15:10)Quote (csaliba @ May 06 2011,17:33)According to John we will eventually become godsHi csaliba,Isn't that what the serpent told Eve?Kila

Quote (terraricca @ May 09 2011,19:18)Mikeof cause not ,i just wanted to bring to your attention that Jesus is the prophet that was like Moses but greater than himI agree. I misunderstood your previous post – that's all. peace,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 09 2011,20:54)Paladin has taken every effort to clearly explain exactly what he was saying and been extremely patient taking your insults as he has done with all who are here. You ought to all be ashame of you ignorant and insulting behaviors. IMOGene,Paladin has also consistently posted misinformation about the Greek…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 09 2011,20:38)Mike…………..How about where God said he would bring forth Jesus from among their brethren the Isrealites.What about it?  God did what he said, right?  Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 09 2011,20:38) So if you say Jesus preexisted his berth one earth then the burden of (PROOF) belongs to you He is the f…[Read more]

Hi Paladin,I'm hesitant to do this, for it seems when we get down to the nitty gritty, you choose to avoid answering my points, claiming that I didn't speak to you nicely enough or whatever.  I will give it a try on two or three of your points, and see if you stay with the discussion this time.Quote (Paladin @ May 09 2011,06:41)Quote (mikeboll64…[Read more]