Quote (Paladin @ May 31 2011,08:03)Then Paul ties it together for us – 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.Where again did Paul say he ascended to?  There's your answer to “where I was before”, Paladin.  The point Jesus made was, “What?  You're freaked out because I said I ca…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2011,23:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011,12:36)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2011,02:39)David, do you ever take a critical look at your organisation? – its dubious founder, its literary deceptions, its horrendous paraphrase, its false prophecies, its psychological manipulations….why would you want to be associated with such a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2011,10:50)If you notice most of them are self taught and without fellowship with a body of believers whom they assemble with.And don't you find that the least bit interesting, Keith?  Why is it that ONLY people who have been spoon fed your truth end up believing in the trinity?  Why is it that us “self taught” p…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2011,00:01)So, if you were seriously looking for truth, the historical documents and the early church father's writings and the scholars' common understanding………….It is because I SERIOUSLY look for truth that I form my understanding around the scriptures only, Kathi.Many of those writers who you value so highly…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2011,23:47)If you were all about the truth now, you wouldn't keep implying that I agree with the 'a god' idea you want to spin off on us. So when you lie about what I say, then don't tell me you are 'addicted to truth.'If you were truthful you would not keep saying something that you know is NOT true.Wow. That's pretty…[Read more]

  “I can't believe Dirac's ability to discover theory, or Einstein’s ability to discover the general theory of relativity, is a sort of spin-off from our ancestors having to dodge saber-toothed tigers.  Something much more profound, much more mysterious, is going on…” – John Polkinghorne, of the University of Cambridge, England”Mathematics is no…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2011,02:39)David, do you ever take a critical look at your organisation? – its dubious founder, its literary deceptions, its horrendous paraphrase, its false prophecies, its psychological manipulations….why would you want to be associated with such a mess??As opposed to say, the murderers who concocted and developed the…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 30 2011,18:48)But Mike, I'm still looking into the Sheppard of Hermas, and also maybe the Book of Enoch. In them, the eternally existent Son of God is the Holy Spirit. Jesus was a sinless Man who was filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus became the second Son of God.I'm just reading them though, not saying anything.Okay. Read…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 30 2011,18:27)I agree with that, but I see no problem in calling Jesus God the Son with a capital G, because there's God the Father and God the Son.Hi Shimmer,The problem arises when you lead someone else to think Jesus IS God Almighty by using the capped “G” for him.  And there is no “God the Son” ever mentioned in any…[Read more]

“Rather than accept the fantastically small probability of life having arisen through the blind forces of nature, it seemed better to suppose that the origin of life was a deliberate intellectual act.” – Sir Fred Hoyle

Which reminds me Wispring, I forgot to mention the “DOWN” part in John 6 to you.Using the words “DOWN FROM” makes a big difference from using only the word “FROM”, don't you think?  The “DOWN” goes a long way towards implying a literal “FROM BESIDE”.peace,mike

Quote (Paladin @ May 30 2011,13:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2011 @ 03:52)It's all about the context, isn't it Paladin?We know that Jesus' statement in John 6 could have been figurative……..OR LITERAL, right?  So what does the CONTEXT tell us?1.  Did the Jews to whom he was speaking take it “figuratively”, in which case they would have said, “…[Read more]

Btw, “Christian” implies that you believe God anointed someone other than Himself, and sent that anointed “Christ” as our Savior.Technically, you are a “Godian”, for you believe the one anointed BY God is God Himself.

Yes or no, please.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,23:54)Mike,They were however satisfied with Addaeus' answer weren't theyKathi, are you a Trinitarian?

Quote (Paladin @ May 30 2011,10:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2011,05:24)Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,03:17)Written…Egeneto anthrwpos apestalmenos para theou…Translated…There was a man sent from God…If Mike wants to change the scriptures to read (Mike's translatin)There was a man sent by God…I cannot correct you for you do not take…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 30 2011,03:37)To anyone, if you think that Jesus is just a god among other gods, or whatever you think, and should be mentioned just briefly at the end of each prayer, then look at this…Acts 7:59They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” He kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, “Lord,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2011,00:45)Istari,The Son has ALWAYS been eternal God as the Son, not eternal God as the Father, that is where you get confused.The Son has been the Son OF the eternal God since the moment his own God brought him into existence…………and that is where YOU get confused.  One of our statements is scripturally…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 29 2011,22:36)Hi Paladin and Mike,   I have been doing some research on the use of the word para. While it is true that in english the words from and by can mean essentially the same thing, in greek, the “from” meaning is a particular point of departure and the “by” is a frame of reference that means “close to” in physical…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2011,00:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,18:27)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:22)There is no 'the' in 1c.Correct.  That's why we know Jesus is not THE God, but A god.  Obviously you are misconstruing or misunderstanding my words to even say that and I believe you are doing it on purpose.  read what I say about the &#…[Read more]