Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2011,13:33)God is Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus did not dieHi Keith, I think Istari is saying what I've said to Kathi many times:  Jesus died EXACTLY the same way anybody has ever died since the beginning of the world.OUR spirits don't die either, but return to the God who gave them, right?Paul said that at one…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,17:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2011,04:01)Hi AllI worship the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit for they are God!  WJGood to see you using the word “they”.Don't forget to use the word “them” too. Just don't use “Him” or “his”. That would be deceptive.We use those words who believe that the Father is the one true…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,17:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2011,04:01)Hi AllI worship the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit for they are God!  WJGood to see you using the word “they”.Don't forget to use the word “them” too. Just don't use “Him” or “his”. That would be deceptive.We use those words who believe that the Father is the one true…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2011,18:44)And so, when was he Christ Jesus, t8, and Mike?Hebrews 71 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything.Hi Marty,Abram wasn't renamed Abraham by God until AFTER the events…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 02 2011,18:21)Hi Mike:God calls those things that are not as though they were, and so, in the heart of God, he did exist.And how did JESUS have a memory of his prior “existence” in the “heart of God”, what with no brain and all?The PERSON Jesus asked to go back to the glory the PERSON Jesus had before the creation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2011,17:05)Istari,How do you know that the Son wasn't always IN the Father before He came out of the Father?Kathi,How do YOU know he WAS?

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 02 2011,13:33)The Father could not be, unless there is a Son.You left out some words, D.  You should have said the Father could not be A FATHER unless there is a Son.  The One we now know as “the Father” most assuredly could have existed way before He decided to beget a son, you know.What scripture tells us God was e…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2011,00:06)Quote “Worship Jehovah your God, and serve Him ONLY” is a pretty straightforward command.  It shouldn't be to hard to follow it,Jehovah is two persons, one that was seen by Abraham and one that is unseen.  Yes, Mike, we should worship Jehovah our God (singular), the Son with the Father, both (not a word that i…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 01 2011,03:39)I truly don't know why there is an attempt to divide Jesus from God.Hi Tim,Is it not clear to you that Jesus and God are two separate individuals?

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 01 2011,01:42)1.Why didnt you answer the initial thread?Because I'm not interested in this pointless discussion.  Immanuel means “God is with us”.  Shall I post a list of others in scripture whose names say similar things about “YHWH” or “God”, even though they are ALSO not God Almighty?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 0…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,04:10)Isaac AsimovMust be a believer by now. He has passed on has he not?

I realized after re-reading my post that I was a little harsh.  Keith and Kathi, I don't consider you guys to be satans who are deliberately trying to mislead the masses so that they forfeit everlasting life.I consider you both to love Jesus so much that you feel an obligation to set him as high as you can.  But you are overstepping the bounds o…[Read more]

Quote the One Only God the Creator and His Christ. The Son of the Creator,I've argued in favor of this point many times.Quote Yet even not then was He Alone, for He had with Him that which He possessed in Himself, that is to say, His own Reason. For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him, and so all things were from Himself. This Reason is…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2011,08:39)Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour *with God.Whatever you say about “para” in John 17:5 must also apply to Luke 1:30, or a reasonable explanation as to why not,First that's a strange assertion, that one use must mean the same thing as all the others.    For e…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2011,08:16) describes a continuing action occuring in the past. If in fact, Jesus had prior glory, and now does not, but asks to have it again, the tense would not be “imperfect” for the “imperfect” references action that was continuous.The action WAS contiuous?  Or the action will keep on continuing until the end of…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2011,07:22)Where did Jeses descend “FIRST” Mike?To earth from heaven, according to his own words.

I will pray for Irene, Georg and the entire family in this time of trial. May God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Quote 1. The apostles therefore appointed: Pray ye towards the east:I don't remember learning that in scripture.Quote and on the first day of the week He will appear at last with the angels of heaven.(16)Yet no man knows the DAY or the hour, not even the Son himself. That “thief in the night” doesn't stand a chance now. I'll just make sure I'm…[Read more]

Keith, Did you read the part where the two people asked Addaeus how God could have been seen telling people that no man has ever seen God?I'm still waiting for a SCRIPTURAL answer to that dilemma. mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2011,12:21)Read 1 Cor Chapters 12-13 and you will get an understanding of how the NT Church was to function.29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all…[Read more]