Berean: The FATHER IS bigger the Son IN AGE, NOT IN GLOBAL POWER

You’re getting there, brother.  The Father is bigger than the Son in age because the Father is uncreated – while the Son had a beginning.  That’s a big step right there.  As for the “global power” part, Jesus himself tells us the Father is more powerful (and knows more) than hi…[Read more]

Berean: It’s as if you deny that a human son begotten by his human father, IS NOT HUMAN

That’s a tricky double negative there.  I do indeed DENY that a human son is NOT human. 😁  Just kidding… I know what you meant.  What I deny is that the son of a human king who can raise people from the dead would automatically be a human king who could raise…[Read more]

Berean:   Meditate on it

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…

I have meditated on it for many years, and even your own verse above teaches you what I’m trying to s…[Read more]

Adam:  This is the big mythology created by the writer of Fourth Gospel stating that the so called Messiah came down from heaven for which there is no proof in the Hebrew Bible.

You don’t accept the proof in the OT that I’ve given you because you, like so many others, wish to tell the scriptures what to teach instead of allowing them to teach…[Read more]

Gene: We all came from heaven , yes all humanity has. 

 

Carmel:  You are completely lost , Gene, and ignoring completely PURE CLEAR SCRIPTUR! Read;

John 8:23 And he said to them:

You are from beneath,
I am from above.
You are of this world,
I am not of this world. 

Excellent use of scripture to directly contradict what Gene said.  Gene, you…[Read more]

Berean: I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (John 16:28)

Another great scripture to help Gene see the whole truth.  On the other hand, it is also another great scripture to combat the misunderstanding of “I am” in John 8:58.  Notice the present tense “I am come into the wo…[Read more]

Berean:  This is its human origin that nobody here ignores …. But you put aside its divine origin to your disadvantage because if you believed it would open the horizon for you ….

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John 6:38)

Very well said!  I have tried to say the same to Gene and Jodi befor…[Read more]

Mike: The other one will never have as much power as the One who put all things under him.

 

Carmel: NOT PERFECT THIS TIME, IN FACT IT’S A LIE!

I guess we’d better consult our resident “Peacekeeper of the Forum” about this one.

Hey @Proclaimer, Carmel disagrees with a statement I made.  He doesn’t personally consider my statement to be ac…[Read more]

Mike:  The One who is in a position to PUT all things under the other one is the One who is the most powerful. 

 

Carmel:  PERFECT Mike! FROM A HUMAN’S POINT OF VIEW!

We are both human, and therefore only have a human’s point of view.  Even if an angel came to you and prophesied some future event, you would only be able to understand it from…[Read more]

LU: Gene,

The Hebrew word adonai is not found in Psalm110:1.

Gene, Kathi is right about this.  The Hebrew word that English translators render as “LORD” with all caps is what’s known as the tetragrammaton – the four Hebrew consonants that Hebrew writers used in place of the personal and proper name of the Most High God.  Those consonants tr…[Read more]

LU: This is my paraphrase for more clarity:

A PSALM OF DAVID. A declaration of YHWH to my Lord, YHWH our Righteousness,: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Your paraphrase provides confusion, not clarity.

LU: Jeremiah 23

5Behold, the days come, says Yahweh, that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and he sh…

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LU:  Agreed. The Father is greater than the Son because the Father as in a father/son relationship naturally has authority over his son. However the father and son would be equal in the type of being that they are.

But Jesus’ God and Father is also our God and Father, right?  We are also His children, who were created in His likeness, right? Yet w…[Read more]

LU:  David, the writer of this Psalm 110, calls his descendant “my Lord” and is shown that his “Lord” will sit at the right hand of YHVH. The million dollar question is how is it that David calls his son “Lord?”

The question has been put to you, Gene… by Kathi AND by Jesus himself in Matt 22:45.

You say Jesus is strictly from the loins of Dav…[Read more]

Berean:  GOD THE FATHER IS BIGGER THAN THE SON IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS BEFORE THE BEGOTTEN SON.  AS A HUMAN FATHER IS BEFORE HIS CHILDREN HE BEGET.

That is 100% scriptural.  Amen!  But just so you know, you can eliminate “THE FATHER” from the first sentence, and it would still be 100% scriptural…

GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…

Two per…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  It’s like saying that we live in a forest and the owner of the forest resides outside the forest. So no matter what direction you look while in the forest, you are looking toward the owners residence.

Ah… but the owner of the forest and his 24 managers don’t reside together everywhere “outside the forest”.  The owner has a thr…[Read more]

Berean: Micah: 5: 2

…. whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The Hebrew words actually mean:  “his origin is from days of old, ancient times”.

And you don’t even deny that, because you admit that Jesus is the only-begotten of God, right?  Was God ever begotten by anyone, Berean?  Was Jesus?  Okay then, that should tell y…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

WHAT THE FATHER “IS” THE SON IS ALSO, PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING …. SINCE THE TIMES OF ETERNITY … AMEN!

IT’S CLEAR !?

HEBREWS 1: 3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person …..

Okay, let’s reason this out together, using the prophet Elijah as a makeshift example.

What Elijah is, his son…[Read more]

Mike:  1 Cor 15:27… Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

The One who is in a position to PUT all things under the other one is the One who is the most powerful. 

 

Carmel:  the above is only human reasoning!

As opposed to what?  Do…[Read more]

Mike:  God’s firstborn Son has exactly the amount of power and authority that his and our God grants him. 

 

Carmel: NO MIKE, NOT QUITE PRECISE 

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying:  All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 

What I said is 100% precise…

1 Cor 15:27… Now when it says that “everything” has been pu…[Read more]

Carmel, here’s a screenshot of where I asked you those questions a week ago…

So forget all the rest of the nonsense, and just answer those two questions please.