Proclaimer:  So what is then? A brick wall? What is beyond the brick wall?

As I’ve repeatedly said, we are not told that information in scripture, so I don’t know.  I only know that there are waters above the firmament and below the earth – and that God, Jesus, and 24 elders rule from thrones that are in heaven above us (presumably all of us a…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Well put. That is exactly how I feel too.

Is Berean a Trinitarian?

I believe he is on the same path as Kathi – who came here as a Trinitarian, but was then forced to abandon that unscriptural idea and come up with her own “Jesus is God” doctrines.

Berean:  Because Christ is the OWN SON OF GOD, HE IS GOD. 

That’s like saying that because you are the son of Joe, you ARE Joe.  And what’s more, you even identify this son as “Christ”.  Do you know what a christ is, Berean?  There are many christs in the Bible.  They are those who are anointed (ie: set aside for a specific purpose) by God. …[Read more]

Gene:  Our teachings are much alike, except I do not believe Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth , but was certainly prophesied to come by God through the prophets,  and God word came true , it was the “flesh man”, Jesus.

I’m always stuck in the middle of non-preexisters and Trinitarians, Gene.  But from my middle ground of what the script…[Read more]

Carmel: FROM THE HEBREW BIBLE POINT OF VIEW,  IS GOD BOTH THE FATHER OF JEWS AND THE GENTILES OR THE FATHER ONLY OF THE JEWS, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT GOD MADE IT CLEAR AND SAID ISRAEL IS MY SON.

Very good and interesting.  I’m anxious to see how Adam responds.

Berean: Another Bible passage that bolsters the divinity of Christ through His Sonship is Matthew 4:3…

I don’t argue against the divinity or deity of Jesus, and accept that both of those qualities come from him being one of God’s spirit sons.  Another AMEN for us, B! 😊

Proclaimer:  Well it would be safe to say that God is there. So now you are also looking down using your own analogy and simple 2D models.

Why would God be below the earth?  In the Biblical model (not “my” model), God sits on His throne above us… ALL of us.  There isn’t even such a thing as “above” in the unbiblical model you subscribe to – le…[Read more]

Carmel: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>John 14:1 Read, discern and practice</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>THE ONLY TRUTH! JESUS!!!</span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>LET not your heart be troubled.  You believe in God, believe <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>also</span> in ME.</span>

You quoted a scripture where Jesus i…[Read more]

Berean:  Who, being in the form of God…

That’s another excellent example.  The Greek words don’t say “the form of THE theos”, Berean.  It is just theos WITHOUT the definite article “the”.  And as such, it is correctly translated as “the form of a god”.

And that’s what Phil 2 teaches… that Jesus was existing in heaven in the form of a god (as…[Read more]

Berean:  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh…

Hebrews 1:3 and Col 1:15 don’t support your idea that “God needed someone who was equal to Himself”.  In fact, they say little more than God said about mankind… that W…[Read more]

LU:  A father begins to be a father at the moment his son begins to be a son. In regards to God, his essence was eternal and became both father and son at the same instant.

Proclaimer: This is either a lie or is true, but not written. It must be a lie because there are scriptures that contradict such an idea.

Hey Kathi, how do you like the idea…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I’ll say it as it is. This is a lie. How ironic.

But since you erroneously believe that anything you don’t agree with is a “lie”, nobody really cares what you call a “lie” anymore.  Your credibility on the matter is already shot – and getting more pathetic every time I ask you about King David and you cower from the question. &#x…[Read more]

Carmel:  Mike, JESUS RIGHT NOW IS THE HIGHEST, HIGHER THAN GOD ALMIGHTY…

 

Mike: Nonsense.  None could be higher than the Most High God of gods.

Carmel:  SO ACCORDING TO YOU, I AM TELLING A LIE NO? AND IF I AM TELLING A LIE I AM A LIAR. NO?

Absolutely not according to me.  According to Proclaimer, yes… but not according to me.  I happen…[Read more]

LU:  A father begins to be a father at the moment his son begins to be a son. In regards to God, his essence was eternal and became both father and son at the same instant.

Where can I read this in scripture?

Berean: ...but know that to save mankind, God needed someone who was EQUAL TO HIMSELF, HIS OWN SON.

Where can I read this in scripture?

LU: Mike,

Fyi, John 16:28 doesn’t have ego eimi (I am) in it so you are not comparing apples to apples when you compare to the I am of John 8:58.

Are you being disingenuous here?  I know you to be very intelligent, and therefore know that you know that the point I made to Berean stands as irrefutable despite your semantics games.  But just in c…[Read more]

Mike:  Do you possess some sort of non-human reasoning capabilities of which we are not aware?

 

Carmel: AND HOW! ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSS THE TRUTH OF JESUS OF WHICH IT’S NOTHING FROM ME. IT WAS AND IS GIVEN TO ME AS I ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED, OF WHICH YOU ALSO COULD RECEIVE IF YOU SIMPLY ASK AND NOT RELY ON WORLDLY WISDOM WHICH IS NO…

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Adam:  Hi brother Gene, Your example of Persian King Cyrus with Jesus the supposed Messiah is quite amazing. In fact Second (Deutero) Isaiah quoted him as Messiah (Anointed) in Chap 45.

You sound surprised about that.  The Bible is filled with many messiahs/christs of God.

Proclaimer:  Let me educate you…  Up means higher. Higher doesn’t always mean against gravity. 

Please do educate me, O wise one who can’t even answer simple questions that have been repeatedly asked.  Yes, the word “higher” (which means above something else) is often idiomatically used as “better”.  For example, if you wanted to say that a Pors…[Read more]

Proclaimer:I’ll play along with the 2 dimensional analogy.

The holy city has a gate in the east, west, north, and south.

That doesn’t change anything, since the owner of the forest and his 24 managers sit on their thrones which are right outside of the EAST gate ONLY.   So now… can you look north towards the owner and his managers?  Can you…[Read more]