Berean: Mike

God did not perform a miracle through his Son to create the universe.

What we know from scripture is that God did the miracles on earth through Jesus… and that God created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them through Jesus.

Hebrews 1:1-2… In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  How come it doesn’t say the god Jesus met a woman at a well. Or the god Jesus died for us. And in Heaven he is not described as a god with eyes like fire.

That’s like asking why the word “god” isn’t included in every mention of YHWH… or even Satan – who we know is “the god of this world”.  But let me reverse it on you… If Jesus [Read more]

Berean: “a god”
This is not what the Bible conveys to make us understand WHO IS JESUS….

THAT IS TO SAY THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD
“A god who is not THE Most High God” is exactly what the Bible conveys about Jesus.  Also…

John 3:16-17… For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that everyone who believes in him shall not per…[Read more]

Carmel, post #872811 is the most brilliant post you’ve ever made here!  😁😂🤣  (just messing with you)

Berean:  His sonship HAD a BIGINNING but not His DIVINE NATURE WICH HAD NO BIGINNING AND NO END.

What did I just say about making claims out of thin air that you can’t back up with scriptures?  Show me in scripture where I can read all about this “divine nature which had no beginning”.

Berean:  When Jesus said that only the Father knew the day of his next return, it proves that Jesus lived well according to the human mode although he was still divine. He did not have access to this truth from the date of his return.

So then “divinity” doesn’t necessarily mean “omniscient”, does it?  And that means that even exalted and back in h…[Read more]

Mike: Berean, is Jesus the one Most High God of gods – or someone other than the one Most High God of gods?

Berean: I have already answered you many times on this. reread 1 Corinthians 8: 6 and you will have the answer.

Your answer has consistently been that Jesus is NOT the Most High God of gods.  That is the correct answer.  So if Jesus is…[Read more]

Adam:  In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell safely. This is the name by which she will be called: ‘The Lord Our Righteousness.’ (Jeremiah 33:16)

Ezekiel 37:25… They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and [Read more]

Gene:  WAS Jesus a human being,  made in the form  (image) of God, so are we…

But that’s not what it says, Gene.  It says Jesus WAS (past tense) existing in the form of a god, and THEN was made into a human being.

You are doing the same thing with Phil 2 as you do with John 8:58.  You are leaving out key parts of the scripture.

Carmel: I personally never expected SUCH ILLOGICAL COMMENT FROM YOU! WHY?

Read again Jesus own words!

John14:14 If you shall ask me anything in my name,

that I will do.
Aren’t the above words from the SOLE SOVEREIGN RULER convincing to you?
If Jesus, the sole sovereign spirit and owner of humanity by His own blood said the above words…

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Gene: Mike…..So let’s not strain our brains ok,  Scripture says  (not me )  But unto us the is but “ONE” GOD, and one mediator between God and Men,  the “MAN” Jesus Christ.

Please tell me what part of that scripture you don’t believe?

Hi Gene, there is no part of that scripture I don’t believe.  But let’s look at it in context…

1 Tim 2:5-6.…[Read more]

Berean:  GOD DIDN’T MAKE A MIRACLE FOR HIS SON TO CREATE ALL THINGS, BUT WHEN HE BEGOT HIS ONLY SON, HE GIVEN HIM A DIVINE INHERITANCE: OMNIPOTENCE
OMNISCIENCE
OMNIPRESENCE
ETERNITY

Firstly, no scripture says Jesus created a single thing, let alone “all things”.

Secondly, even if Jesus did create all things, it wouldn’t say anything one way or th…[Read more]

Berean:  I speak about DIVINITY of Christ, NOT ABOUT HUMANITY.

Are you saying that when Jesus was a human on earth he was not omnipotent or omniscient… but now he is?

If so, please post a scripture or two to support your idea.

Berean:  Jesus is not ” god “but the DIVINE SON OF GOD.

Berean, scripture tells us about a bunch of gods, and only one Most High God of the other gods.  That is fact.

Berean, is Jesus the one Most High God of gods – or someone other than the one Most High God of gods?

Gene:  Berean……Being found in fashion  as a “man” ,why?,   was because he was a “MAN”.

Gene, all men on earth today are men, right?  Do you say about any of them that they took upon them the form of a man, or that they were made in the likeness of men?  Of course not.  It’s a given that a normal man already IS a man, and so nobody goes aroun…[Read more]

Berean: adam = human being (among others)
Eve = human being = adam

THE Adam = human being = adam

Eve = human being = adam – but not THE Adam

THE God = spirit being = god

Jesus = spirit being = god – but not THE God

It’s all about the “THE”, Berean.  As John told us, the logos was with THE God in the beginning, and was also god (but not T…[Read more]

Berean:  In the beginning, the Son of God is of the same divine nature as God his Father: omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient…

Why on earth would you repeat a statement that I’ve already shown you to be erroneous?

Is Jesus omnipotent?  “The Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)  Scriptural answer:  NO

Is Jesus omniscient?  “But about that d…[Read more]

Adam:  Christianity created mythologies on human Messiah.

Prove it, Adam.  Provide absolute irrefutable PROOF that Jesus was not existing in the form of a god, but then emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being, who dwelt on earth for 30 years and then ascended back into heaven.

If you cannot PROVE these statements you r…[Read more]

Carmel:  The way I look at it is that

JESUS DIDN’T SAY OR MEANT THAT HE IS NOT GOD, IN FACT, HE CONFIRMED THAT

WITHOUT BELIEVING IN HIM, ALL HEARTS ARE IN TROUBLE CONCERNING GOD!

Then with all due respect, you are looking at it wrong.  Jesus clearly identified himself as someone other than God, and you clearly disagree with your Lord.

Carmel: 

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Berean:  I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER AND IN ONLY LORD JESUS CHRIST. AMEN

That is 100% scriptural – in reference to the hierarchy, ie: God is above Jesus, and Jesus is above us.  It is not meant to be a literal all-encompassing statement meaning there is literally only one god and literally only one lord.  In fact, the statement in 1 Cor 8 be…[Read more]